Occupy Boston is saddened by the fact that Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel and the Chicago Police Department chose to arrest 175 members of Occupy Chicago last night for peacefully occupying Congress Plaza, placing city park ordinances above protestors’ constitutional rights to free speech and free assembly. We stand in solidarity with our sisters and brothers in Chicago and offer them all of the help we can give.
103 Responses to “175 Arrests at Occupy Chicago”
What were the charges?
I imagine trespassing and assembling without a permit.
Why not obtain the required permit?
No court on Sunday. It’s gonna be awful stinky in that police station. Are any of the Chicago campers on video spitting at the cops? I love Chicago. Especially in the Blues Brothers. Wonder if the Chicago kids will cry more than the Boston kids bout getting pinched. If we could vote for a rep in Chicago -I nominate Ferris Bueller. Save Ferris!
Does anybody know where to find a list of names of those who were arrested, my girlfriend was up there and she’s not answering any texts/calls right now. Thank you.
Wish I could help you out. I haven’t seen the names posted anywhere, but I think everyone has been released. I left about an hour before the arrests.
Thanks man I figured it out I ended up calling central booking in chicago so if anybody loses somebody I’d recommend calling central booking for that city.
In Boston you destroyed the food drive for poor people and in NYC the poor immigrant food vendors are accepted collateral damage for the trustafarians. http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/10/occupy_wall_street_destroys_ca.html
Too bad those food carts don’t have wheels on them so they can move them anywhere in the entire city. Oh, wait, nevermind.
If you read the story you would see that they actually just can’t move them. They have to have a license for a certain area.
That sucks that the protesters run the licensing board and won’t give them a license.
Ok, but to what extent is anyone accountable then?
Should said homeowner also be entitled to a capital gain if the house appreciates? Or should there be a test and if the bank wins they get the profit?
Please either go home or say specifically what you want.
I have to agree. Yeah we know why your there but what is it you want? Specifics. I know you want a fair and equitable govt, world peace and for it to rain skittles. Why not find a credible spokesperson(s) and tell the man what you want.
You want a credible spokesperson? Who? Like a man politician?
If I’m on an airplane and I see smoke coming out of one of the engines, am I not allowed to tell the pilot unless I have a ten-point plan for engine repair? The word “protest” means to complain about a set of circumstances, and if you can’t understand why people would be complaining in this economy, well, I just don’t know what to say.
Joshua you have used this airplane example before and it really doesn’t resonate with me at all. Complainers are not respected in this world. Problem solvers are. In your example you could complain all you want while sitting with your seat belt fastened. A steward might stop by and try to calm you but they would clearly never relay your concerns to a pilot. Why? Because people more knowledgeable about the circumstances and tasked with controlling and alleviating that given situation would be occupied with doing just that. Your analogy also breaks down because the pilot would need to have some vested interest in seeing the plane crash based on what your intents are with this protest. If you attempted to get out of your seat and approach the pilot to express your concern you would be disrupting those focused on creating solutions and most likely be deemed a terrorist who would hopefully be shot by an air martial.
If you were remotely curious about how consensus works or what this movement is actually about, you wouldn’t need to ask this question.
If you had an answer you would’nt have to respond with a question. GET OUT OF MY CITY
Again, thanks for your input, but this thing has been going on for 3+ years now. I’m pretty sure we’re Past the smoking engine phase.
What a relief mayor Emmanuel doesn’t have drones to send over.
Check out the Wiki site and look at the “ideas.”
Lots of stuff like this:
“Through no fault of their own, many people have amounted massive mortgage and student loan debt.”
That seems to be one of the central themes here. The problem is that it is not possible to accumulate debt without knowing about it.
Except when your government spends money it doesn’t have and assigns the tab to taxpayers. That’s the only wayl
Have you ever tried reading mortgage contract or a credit card agreement?
Right, but you still have to ask for the loan, no?
It seems as if the people pushing toxic mortgages were pretty pro-active in trying to convince people that they could afford them when they really couldn’t. Where I come from, that’s called “fraud.”
But again, those involved expected to profit, no?
The individuals pushing the fraudulent loans expected to profit, as did the companies pressuring them to push the loans. I’d imagine that the people taking the loans expected to do the opposite of profit, as that’s the very nature of a loan. (You pay back in more than you got out, i.e., interest.)
Frank, it is not within your gift or the man’s to grant us what we want. How condescending is that? Who the fuck do you think you are? Here’s a specific for you, why don’t you go troll somewhere else with your right wing friends. You had your little tea party. It was piss poor. Now were gonna show you how it’s done.
“How its Done” What whining and living in tents placing a huge financial burden on hard work tax payers. YA THATS HOW ITS DONE. I think your late for your philosophy of 1600′ music class.
That’s great. Well-reasoned reply.
When someone doesn’t agree with you, it is “trolling.” When things don’t go your way, it is the fault of “the man.”
Ger- so hostile- I thought you were about the 99%, which Frank is a part of as well as the Republicans with which you speak so hatefully of. Here are some specific suggestions for your friends. 1. Don’t major in social justice. 2. If you can’t afford the college education go to a community college for the first couple of years and then transfer to a four year college which is more affordable. Look for scholarships. Don’t sign the dotted line on loans you can’t afford 3. Everyone is not fit for college. If your grades/intelligence are only good enough for a social justice degree- go get an actual job doing something more suited for your intellect, but which is actually needed and can make decent money. 4. You don’t need the new iphone. Don’t buy it and put it on a credit card which you then won’t want to pay. 5. Don’t buy a house you can’t afford. if you can’t afford to buy- rent. Don’t sign up for a second mortgage to get that car you have always dreamed of and then not want to pay the bank back. 6. Stop protesting, go get a job, work really hard and you will find success.
I’d be happy to get a job if you can show me one. Oh, and 17% of working-age Americans are in line behind me. Just FYI
Joshua,
The 17% unemployment figure is something Harold is already aware of. He posted this article he seemed to like from the WSJ, which by the way probably most of us here agree with. The article actually states:
…”when you also consider the labor-force participation rate and the so-called “birth-death series” that measures business starts and failures, the real U.S. unemployment rate is now 20%….”
Harold, Joshua and all of you bickering back and forth – get over your differences. We are all in the same boat and have a common goal to put a stop to “politics as usual” – in the real sense, not the BS they have been feeding us for the past 30 years. How each one of them is different than the other, and want to change Washington, except they really don’t.
The divisiveness among us – perfect example here, will only allow “politics as usual” to continue. Joshua, my brother is a Budhist, but he truly embraces any human being. If you want to have this movement succeed – try to build COLLABORATION. Find a way to bridge the different viewpoints expressed, don’t get defensive, it will do no good. Your efforts are much needed so please put them to good use.
So now I’m lazy and a bad Buddhist? 😛
You didn’t get the point of my post. I acknowledged that it is hard to find a job and I do not think you are lazy. Proof of that is that you are spending your time as an organizer of this movement. My point was simply to request that your posts are less defensive (like Patrick gave the advice to Andy above) – don’t take anything said personal. Your job as an organizer is to please try to post facts that represent the movement or don’t post a reply to insults at all. The back and forth bickering nonsense does not lead to anything constructive. Harold keeps posting links to what he thinks is “proof” that this movement is so wrong. In fact his posts have given me more insight into why to support it. I am looking for you to stick to facts and be above the rude bloggers here. We need someone who points out CONSTANTLY that our viewpoints are not as different as one would think, that this is a NON-PARTISAN movement and that “politics as usual” will continue if we continue being divisive. Thanks for listening and please don’t take this as criticism. I do appreciate the time and effort you dedicate to OccupyBoston.
I love how people say “get a job.” THAT is part of the problem! I went to college so that I COULD get a job that I dreamed of.. Only to get out and find that the entire market basically collapsed and there is no jobs in sight! If a corporation gets in trouble, they get a bailout… If I get in trouble, I go bankrupt. No justice there. I agree that there is a certain degree of personal responsibility involved, but at the same time I believe I speak for a lot of people when I say that most people don’t lack the drive to get a job, there just isn’t a job to take. Sure, I can afford to survive, but I cannot afford college loans which are now at an all time high.
Nobody could predict that once I got out of college that there would be no jobs.
There are literally hundreds of jobs on craigslist right now. They may not be dream jobs. Guess what, not many people get dream jobs.
I graduated in the early nineties. Everyone I knew had a crappy job, most had two.
Guess what?
When the economy got better, we got better jobs. Yes, really. At big corporations that paid us for our work and skills.
That’s how it goes….
Cool, thanks for the life lesson. Let’s stay home and watch TV until things get awesome. Patrick says if we just wait around our corporate masters will throw us some crumbs.
Patrick that is correct. I see jobs advertised everywhere. The problem is these kids want a dream job for their first job. My dad worked at an ice cream place, a guy saw him working there and saw how hard he worked and offered him a job in a factory, at the factory place he worked so hard they made him a manager, then a guy was looking to fill a position and the factory boss told that guy about my dad, that guy hired my dad and eventually over the course of years my dad ended up in a pretty prominent position in the company. He was dirt poor, single mother family, couldn’t afford a college education, was actually put into an orphanage for a while as a kid. He never viewed himself as a victim, he never asked for a hand out, and he never expected society to hand him anything. He worked his butt off and became a success. OccupyLancaster- you need to grow up and get out of your head that having fun for four years at college means that society owes you anything. Ask not what society can do for you Lancaster, ask what you can do for society.
Hey I hear you… And yes, there are jobs out there. But those jobs cannot cover the loans owed for college. I have a job and work 40+ hours a week. I didn’t expect my dream job right out of college, but I did expect a job that I could pay off student loans with. And the “That’s how it goes argument” is a little sad… It shouldn’t be “that’s how it goes,” That is why this is all happening. That is why the movement is gaining momentum. People are tired of just being told, ‘oh well that’s the way it is, the rich get richer.’
Again, I have no problem working for what I get, and unlike some I am not asking for a handout. I am asking for the opportunity. Sorry, but graduating in the 90’s the average college education was more affordable than it is today.
But, what do you propose? That is what is frustrating my generation.
http://www.occupywallst.org/forum/first-official-release-from-occupy-wall-street/
But what does that list of demands have to do with the problem we are discussing, which seems to be the central issue?
BU, or Nu, or BC didn’t give you the tools to get a great job, so we are going to do what? Disassemble the banking system? How do you make that mental leap?
Patrick: None of our politicians, economists, or policy wonks can seem to fix the economic mess that we’re yet you somehow expect a group of loosely organized twenty-somethings to have a coherent ten-point plan for fixing the largest and most complex economy in the world? It’s called a “protest” and not a “proposal” for a reason.
Ok, but my two year old holds his breat when I won’t let him watch Toy Story. He doesnt make much progress with his movement.
You need to do much better if you want results.
Cool story, I’ll just take a time machine back to fifty years ago and work my way up from the bottom. Was your Dad ever a temp? Yeah, I didn’t think so.
No Dan.
My Dad paid his way through college as a bricklayer and then it was off to Vietnam.
Guess that isn’t as tough as being a temp.
Why the hell did your Dad go to college to become a bricklayer?
I’ve always worked my butt off, two jobs sometimes, and still I could barely support myself. My parents didn’t have money to send me to school. So, I worked and went to school and still ended up with loans that wouldn’t have been paid off till I was 63. I’m 60 now. Work in a hospital. Hope to stay here until I’m 70 or so. But we’ve been cut and cut. And next to go is me.
Those of you who think about what your parents did and think it’s the same today don’t know squat about what it’s like out there now. My dad didn’t finish high school, but he was able to work hard and afford to raise a family, get us a house. I can’t do that. I pay over $600 a month just for health insurance.
All we are asking for is a chance to have what this guy’s dad did.
Then produce shit people want, not gender studies professors.
If you are 60 now, you would have gone to college 30-40 years ago. Tuition was like $5k then. How would that possibly give you loans until age 63?
Patrick: Not everyone goes to college in their twenties.
Fair, but even twenty years ago tuitions were 50 k. How can you have loans that last 23 years? The payment would be < 100 / month. The post makes no sense.
But Patrick you didn’t explain why your dad went to college to be a bricklayer. Were they electron bricks.
Dan. Cool man. Like your style.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/2011/10/sunday-reflection-protestors-should-try-occupying-reality-real-change
I agree that universities are unethically raising tuition. But why don’t you then protest the schools and the lavish pay for the tenured professors? What do banks have to do with that? You signed for the loans you are now not willing/able to pay. I really doubt your only option was to sign for those loans. Lots of kids find ways to get a college education without putting themselves in debt. The truth of the matter is you just decided to worry about it later- and now later is here. If any of you were truthful you would see that the policies of Barack Obama are worsening our economy and you would focus your ire on the people in Congress who are not making good decisions. You might want to look at the policies that people like Dodd put in place which forced banks to make bad loans or be punished by the Federal government. The banks then engaged in some pretty nasty manipulations with these bad loans which resulted in the horrible housing issues. It seems to me like your group is being manipulated by Move-on and other radical groups to engage in protests which benefit them. The Move-on people want you to help get BO back into office and the radicals want to try to overthrow our government and in some cases all governments and create a new world system where wealth is spread across the world evenly. I don’t think you kids realize this means a much lowered standard of living for all of us- no more iphones and pumped up kicks kids. I think all of you need to clarify what your goals are and then find a way of reaching those goals other than camping out in parks, ruining the businesses of local people, disrupting events like the food drive for the poor, and in general making a nuisance of yourself for regular people. If I was you I would pick the issue of tuition and than reach out to your local politicians, maybe even tea party people and ask them for advice on how to move forward on action with that. Secondly, when you vote I would look for people that offer real solutions to the economic issues at hand that have worked in the past and not vote emotionally or with the pack or who Move-on tells you to.
Luckily you aren’t us then, huh. Fuck Barry and fuck Moveon. You don’t get it. You think you do, but you don’t.
Go fuck yourself Dan. Better yet, take a big leap from a very short building.
You forget that your parents, grand parents and great-grand parents suffered A LOT to get you to the life of privilege that you enjoy. You are a completely useless person Dan. And so many you and your ilk would gladly go work for the corporations you claim to be against; if they would only hire your lazy, smelly ass.
Fuck the lot of you.
I work for Raytheon, actually.
I’ll give you a minute to clean your brain matter off the walls because I’m sure I just blew your mind.
Sure you do, Dan….
I work for the President as well
Anyone can say anything…..
No, really. I work at Raytheon. As a temp, even!
Also my grand parents and great grandparents did work hard and suffer to give their future generations a chance to do something other than dig canals. I think they’d be proud of us for trying to hold on to the standard of living they fought for. Remember these whiners from a hundred years ago? Something tells me they’d be on the side of Occupy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_Roses
Hello Harold,
I must take exception to your comments re: my overly exuberant response to your comments on another thread. I don’t drink anything that contains caffeine, I always speak calmly, thoughtfully, and most deliberatively (learned this in law school) and I most assuredly do NOT consume drugs of any kind. HMMMM…….Oh, and spittle(?), well, that is just not my style, not at all.
What you and your fellows don’t understand is that there are many points of view, as well as ages, races, religions, etc., represented in this brand, spankin’ new political movement. From my perspective, some of the central issues to be addressed are the fraud, abuse, and corruption rampant in the financial institutions on Wall St., in large corporations, and, of course, within the banks considered “too big to fail.” {In my viewpoint, these institutions should have been allowed to fail – and there should have been no bailouts.} Now, I am assuming that you may be a Republican,(?) and if so, you ought to know that Romney has been quoted as saying that he would support another bailout of these same institutions, if necessary. Romney is a phony, a chameleon, who will say and do anything to get what he wants – which in his present state, means capturing the White House. He cannot be trusted, and he most assuredly is NOT a job creator. Look at his record with Bain Capital. He is just another egotistical politician who things he is above all others.
I would like to start with the over-arching issues which are governmental fraud, corruption, and collusion with these financial institutions. Ditto for Wall St. firms/banks which must be severely regulated on par with how banks in Canada and the UK are regulated, for example. This is just for starters. It will take a great deal of effort, a long battle, and require enormous perseverance. It can be done.
Multi-national corporations must be denied safe havens around the world to stash their corporate billions and to dictate social policies re: wages and living standards. When this occurs, we may just have advanced social justice to a new level. {I realize that you Republicans just can’t stand that phrase – “social justice”}. In any event, the numbers for this movement are growing – and we have all had it with the abuse of the process. Economic reform is coming.
By the way, I educated myself with no financial assistance armed only with my determination to succeed (which I have done). I still, however, have a soul and a conscience, so that is why I have joined the Occupy Boston movement. That being said, the students today are victimized by predatory student loans through banks, etc. I believe that our government can and should devise a public system of ensuring that all capable people can acquire an advanced education. Get the banks out of this process. It is in our best interests to have an educated, productive, responsible citizenry. There should be NO ROOM for banks in this process. No profits to be derived. As you can imagine, I also believe in a profit-less health care system. A single-payer system of health care is the right way to be moving.
By the way, It greatly amuses me to hear the right-wing accuse Obama of being a socialist. He is anything but that – rather, he is a corporatist closely allied with Wall St. It’s just that some folks on the right are….how shall I phrase this?……..uneducated and uninformed comes to mind. They just don’t like his foreign name. Talk about stupidity.
I will think of your comments while enjoying my next Yoga session. (actually, I’m sure I won’t). Try it, you may find it relaxing.
Lancaster you might enjoy this http://youtu.be/e84L-Xsrxmg
Patrick, Harold, frank, Seamus, whoever. Why are you here? If you feel so strongly why don’t you go get your own protest. These people have a right to protest. It looks like it’s got wheels too. Is that what frightens you. Why dont you just let it go. If it has no legitimacy people won’t support it and it will die. If it does your screwed.
Ger, I don’t need a protest. Life is good. I check this post because I am interested to find what all this is about. I’m also concerned young people don’t realize this country was built on the blood, sweat and backs of hardworking determined people. Nothing is free. Times are tough. I’m also concerned young Americans are imitating riots and protests happening in the middle east. I don’t want this to result in violence which is the way it appears to be going. There seems to be many smart folks down there. Why don’t the take these campers off the streets and figure out how to take legal action or find politicians to represent them.
Awww Ger we are not frightened. What frightens you about free speech? Afraid if the little ones are exposed to views other than your own they won’t follow you so willingly?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204002304576628673446417268.html
I’m interested as to why you think the average person (which is what I am) would be screwed if these kids follow you? What plans do you have in mind Ger- global revolution?
What’s your point in posting this article? It looks like you want to say “GOTCHA, PROTESTERS!!!” but it seems as though Mr. Zuckerman agrees with the Occupy movement, even if he isn’t completely aware of it yet. They’re in the streets because they’re furious at Obama, not because they want him to be re-elected. Not everyone buys into the false dichotomy of D/R. We know that Barry’s health care reform plan is just a gift to the insurance companies, not a genuinely viable system of universal coverage. He hasn’t done dick as president. We’re angry at the political machine in this country where a dollar equals a vote, and that’s equally true for both parties.
No Dan- I just thought it was a good article from a well respected guy whose perspective might be interesting. I’m not sure a lot of the protesters have thought things through as clearly as you- most when interviewed by reporters seem to support Obama and are equating this movement with supporting him and Obama himself is doing his best to sort of hijack this movement to win his election.
Don’t believe the hype. Come down and check it out, I guarantee you will find pretty much zero pro-Obama sentiment. Sure, people will try to hijack the movement but that doesn’t mean we have to let them.
When you participate in civil disobedience, you get arrested. That’s the point, isn’t it?
You’re calling attention to injustice and that’s one way to do it.
You really shouldn’t succeed and then complain about success, you should celebrate that success.
Now, if you want to change the laws about civil disobedience that’ll take about 30 years in court. We don’t have that much time.
Global revolution – hopefully. An yeah that would take way too long so were going to try something different. you have nothing to fear from this movement as it is just and fair. Only if you get off on the suffering of others should you worry. You guys seem to fit that bail.
Your statement seems to imply that if people disagree with you, then they have something to fear. “Only if you get off on the suffering of others should you worry.”
Define that. Who decides what I ‘get off on’? How does that work? What penalties are involved if it’s decided that I ‘got off’ on somebodys suffering? What should I worry about? Define suffering.
Sounds a lot like oh, I don’t know, Stalin, Pol Pot, guys like that.
Do not question the revolution, comrade! Or off to Siberia with you!
Also Ger, it sounds like you’d like nothing more than to be in charge. What’s up with that?
A bunch of lefties turning out to be nothing more than violent fascists?
Sky blue, water wet, every lefty idea still an abject failure.
This generation is fucked. Imagine your Chinese counterparts right now. They must be salivating that you are their competition.
Man. You are going to get rolled.
Patrick,
Please stop speaking for our generation. I also graduated in the early nineties and I do get that there are many young people today feeling entitled, yet buying Coach purses and iPads and other luxuries instead of paying off their students loans. However, as an Independent voter, I still support the movement and this is why – because I think many in middle class America have learned their lessons and are tightening their belts, saving more and paying off their debt, except for corporations who are still spending obscene amounts of $ on ther beloved executives. I am tired of reading news like these…aren’t you ??
The “reduction in workforce” telegraphed by HP a few weeks ago appears to finally be taking place…. (500) jobs are reportedly moving to Shanghai and Yehud, Israel….
http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/11/source-hps-layoffs-taking-effect-today-500-gone-from-san-diego-group/
HP CEO has received a severance package worth $13.2 million in cash and stock for his 11-month tenure
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/another-corporate-outrage-golden-parachutes-failed-ceos-153646807.html
I have nothing to do with HP but this is just one of the companies who has taken 350,000 jobs offshore and has golden parachutes for execs while laying off workers onshore. It doesn’t matter anymore if blue or white collar…a LOT of jobs are going overseas. On top of that the top banks are posting record profits yet not loaning money to small businesses. So how exactly is job creation supposed to happen. The economic situation is NOT GOOD…yet our politicians keep squabbling instead of finding solutions. Are you really content with that?
Patrick,
The US has already been rolled. China owns the largest share of our Treasury Notes, and, if they chose to do so, could shut down this country by calling these notes due. This state of affairs was orchestrated by previous administrations. Bush has been financing his wars through these means. We’ve already been rolled….believe it.
Treasuries aren’t callable, though. And since their entire wealth us invested in Treasuries, why would they do so?
BTW – Keynsian deficit spending was born in the new deal, not George Bush.
Yes, imagine our Chinese counterparts, standing as they did in Tienanmen Square.
No actually. You glorify yourselves by thinking you have anything in common with them.
They were brave and admirable. They would give anything for what you’ve already got.
Don’t confuse yourselves with those in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Syria, etc.. Don’t confuse yourself with those without freedom and please don’t confuse yourself with those that are fighting and dying for their future generations.
Such an unappealing post. Obnoxious people just don’t get it – no one really, seriously, gives you much credit. It must hurt your feelings.
I’m sure it is unappealing. It should be.
You’ve got trillions of people in the world that desperately want to live better and are educating themselves and preparing. You are sitting in a park.
My feelings are hurt that in our hour of crisis, this is what you have come up with.
The same old whining about “the man” and “the banksters.”
Rolling out the same tired old rhetoric that the Chomskys of the world spew.
I just hoped for more. We’ve collectively failed in raising you. We’re all to blame.
When not being a “lawyer” this is how Mary B talks: Remember: “THOSE WHO MAKE PEACEFUL REVOLUTION IMPOSSIBLE WILL MAKE VIOLENT REVOLUTION INEVITABLE.” ~ JOHN F. KENNEDY ~
We are not afraid. We are not afraid of you, your Praetorian guards, the Blackwater thugs who guard you and your temples of profit, or anything else. We are not afraid; we are growing in numbers each day, Harold, and we are getting stronger. WE are not going anywhere. Your fear tactics just don’t work anymore.
Yes, Harold, I do believe that serious reform is necessary in this country. This movement is growing and that may be making you very uncomfortable. As for the Blackwater comment, you can read for yourself how the Wall St. financial institutions have hired these types of private contractors, and how they go about protecting the interests of these private companies.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/10/10/financial-giants-put-new-york-city-cops-on-their-payroll/#.TpTCJ-E9E68.facebook
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/who-really-owns-nypd-turns-out-its-no
This is an alarming development. The problem is: “We are not afraid any longer.
Remember: “THOSE WHO MAKE PEACEFUL REVOLUTION IMPOSSIBLE WILL MAKE VIOLENT REVOLUTION INEVITABLE.” ~ JOHN F. KENNEDY ~
“We are not afraid. We are not afraid of you, your Praetorian guards, the Blackwater thugs who guard you and your temples of profit, or anything else. We are not afraid; we are growing in numbers each day, Harold, and we are getting stronger. WE are not going anywhere. Your fear tactics just don’t work anymore.”
You can remove the quotation marks from the word ‘lawyer.’ I worked very hard for that degree. I also stand by my words.
what this movement is looking for is what this country was founded for, a meritocracy, not an oligarchy. no this is not about whether someone graduating college can have some dream life, the real significant problem is that corporations wield the power once wielded by our duly elected government.
And Patrick, we have not collectively failed, I am 56 years old, a former long term Wall St. investment bank employee , have since worked the Census and other hourly jobs, back at community college to retrain, a mother of two young adults, one in college and one with a fabulous job post college, and this government is not by the people and these kids are this country’s best hope.
These kids are crap. Have you looked at their general assembly minutes? You worked in banking – do you think they are close to wrestling power from Goldman Sachs?
I think not. There has not been a single productive idea presented. I’ve looked hard and long. Nothing but complaining and superficial understanding of “the system.”
It’s work in progress Patrick. We are finding our way as we go along. You should have seen the second meeting (I haven’t been to the first) and the first iteration of this web site!
This movement is very young but the possibilities are limitless.
Nice job Amy, Jim – you have won Patrick over or at least it’s just a matter of time…we are ALL in the same boat. I also have a kid in college, and two more who will go in the future. I hope we can all make a difference to end “politics as usual”. That is my hope and I am an optimist so I am optimistic that we will succeed.
The funny thing is that I wish you well. I just think you have to come up with some how abou goals and a message that is understandable.
So far it is mostly nonsense.
How about:
Fellow citizens:
Here us what we think we need to be competitive in the global economy….
Let’s find a way to bring us these skills so that we can move forward.
Also, how about asking for a school loan modification program similar to what us already available to homeowners?
That is what we refer to in the business world as a “deliverable.”
It is a good place to start.
Sorry fore spelling, writing from phone…
No worries about the spelling, dialogue is what’s important. Also in the business world before deliverables are planned, a vision and strategy needs to be crafted. That’s what these young protesters are doing now – and admitedly struggling with it. Bipartisan help would be tremendous to this movement – so how about you (I think you are Rep seeing you appear to be a Bush supporter; Mary B. who appears to be a Democrat seeing that she is bashing Bush, and me , the Independent — GET TOGETHER AND HELP THEM OUT 🙂
I do find it a positive note in your last post “I wish you well…” which is a long way from the previous totally unconstructive criticism. Thank you. Now I am hopeful that even bloggers “Harold” and “whorefinder” will come around…
It isn’t that hard.
Th problem is that what these kids want and what the lunatic fringe wants are different things.
I understand and have compassion for what the kids want.
I detest what the fringe wants.
There us way too much comingling of the two here for me.
Paul,
The 80/20 Rule right ? To be realistic where does ‘fringe’ NOT exist? Think about anything you support and believe in. Do you think there won’t be elements who take that to an extreme? That’s always the case. However, WE working and middle class Americans, who have all our marbles, and are not on the ‘fringe’ do make up 80% if not 99%. So you have the extremist Tea Partiers to the right – at 10% and the extreme leftists in this movement at 10%, but the fact of the matter is that this country would not be so great if we didn’t have a majority of normal people. This is the movement of the 80% normal people like you and me. No matter how you twist it – we have more in common than we have differences. And by the way – you seem like a nice and reasonable guy. I am with you – totally agains the fringe and anything taken to extreme. I don’t think it’s the case here. We are all sick of the BS we are being fed by politicians about how they are ‘different’ and want to ‘change’ Washington, EXCEPT they lie…constantly!
oops – it was meant for Patrick not Paul…
Anonymous- it appears that the kids are already being “helped out” http://bigjournalism.com/dloesch/2011/10/16/journolist-2-0-occupydc-emails-show-msm-dylan-ratigan-working-with-protesters-to-craft-message/
I checked out the link and listened to the video the first time you posted it. Take Ratigan out of the equation since journalists should remain unbiased while on the job…but aside from that do you agree with the concept of separation of corporations and state, which is what he is preaching – or do you agree with the way things are today in Washington, both on the left and the right; they are just as bad. If you like corporate influence on our politics to prevail against our influence on our politics it means you are against this separation of corporations and state. Then we should just get rid of the separation of church and state while we are at it and screw things up even more.
Thanks by the way for posting the Zuckerman link , and this one – keep supporting the movement. Much appreciated you are slowly finding the middle ground which is the higher ground.
Harold how many times are you going to post that link. It wont make it true. And if this movement is in any way tainted by the likes of Dylan ratigan or any other media whore then I agree it’s fucked. But it’s not. No one actually believes that. And also it contradicts you andyour fellow nutcase friends complaints that there are no spokesmen or leaders. Which is it?
Ger –
You are no longer talking to “whorefinder” so you can stop swearing now LOL
Chill because most of these folks are supporters, it will just take some time until they see it themselves. And I truly believe that. But it is also up to the organizers to organize themselves better and I also see that they are starting to do that starting with the “Statement of Purpose” that is now long overdue but seems to be a bit closer to being created and disseminated.
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