Here in Dewey Square the sun is shining and we are rebuilding our camp. Tearful reunions and sober reflection have characterized our day here as we seek to land on our feet after the events of early this morning. We will we will hold our general assembly tonight at 7 pm, as scheduled, and remain focused on the central purpose of this movement. Please come join us!
188 Responses to “We Are Rebuilding”
Hang tough, we will all be facing set backs, but standing strong in the face of adversity will win the fight.
Solidarity from Occupy Las Vegas
get out of our city and go apply for a job serving burgers or coffee or any other menial task that your small minds could handle. i am so damn tired of lazy people blaming others for their problems. get off your asses and stop waiting for a hand out.
If I have one hundred dollars to offer and you have a hundred to offer, we can buy two hundred dollars worth of healthcare. If I give one hundred, and you don’t give at all, I’m worse off and you’re better off, but you’re not as well off as you would be if we shared.
I’m off my ass and asking you for your fair share. Now.
im paying my fair share. what you are asking for is me to pay half of your fair share. the world doesnt work like that. capitalism doesnt work like that. the USA doesnt work like that.
And what do YOU do for a living when you’re not parading your bigotry and ignorance?
The current cost on taxpayers is over $70,000 per day. They will say it is worth it and talk about other costs. I say if they were taxayers they would be working not camping out beating drums and having jam sessions. When we use to do this it was called going to see the Dead. When this is all over 99% will go occupy the dorm rooms mommy and daddy pay for. My guess is the other 1% will go back to the union job that they have left to protest. Go back to class mom and dad are paying allot for you to learn how to be a socialist at the schools across the river.
Yay! I’ll be there.
Folks getting out of jail, those of you who witnessed police violence last night, and anyone else who has been stretched real thin holding up this occupation, please know that we will have lots of emotional support available this evening at the medic tent. Repression is scary and can be traumatizing. The best thing we can do is take a moment to step back and care for ourselves, speak out narratives of what we witnessed and lived, and actively seek tools to heal our traumas so we can move on stronger.
Please check out the aftercare sections of MedicWiki for some advice on self-care, documenting injuries, treating blunt force trauma (bruises) and handcuff injuries, as well as emotional support: http://medic.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Aftercare
Take care of yourselves and each other!
HELLO! Thank you all, thank you medics, and infinite love/respect to fellow occupiers. Can someone PLEASE address the issue of the $10,000+ we raised today as bail-out money for those arrested early this morning? I personally donated and would like to know that the excess $ is being held on reserve for future bail-outs, including my own if need be. You estimated that we would need $4,000, and we now have $10,000. Those of us who donated our hard-earned cash deserve both to know what the status of those arrested is (have they all been bailed?) and to understand how this fund is being managed. Please provide information. Thank you so very much!
Your donations helped to bail myself out (and many many others). I had absolutely nobody in the state that I would have been able to contact to help release me – I sincerely appreciate your donations & I know everyone else does as well. Bail was set at $40 per person & was brought around to the various precincts we were sent to just after those with cash were starting to be released. Thank you so so much to you & everyone else who donated – Those of us who were able to be present were conscious that we were representing so many more than just ourselves.
At GA tonight Legal was mentioned that the money will be reserved for future bail, or will be contributed to the resource money if it becomes needed/on request.
Thank you both for the updates, I so appreciate it. Also thrilled that you are all out safely, and that we have set up some small reserve for similar future incidents.
Lisa, you were absolutely representing the rest of us there, with your personal and bodily sacrifice, and helping you get back home was the least any of us could do. Thank YOU!!
Love and solidarity from Occupy Asheville, now in our 11th day! VIVA REVOLUTION!!
My girlfriend and I will be stopping by with supplies tonight! An updated list of things you guys need would be awesome. I heard most of your medical supplies got taking away by the BPD. We will try to bring as much as we can.
Hello Occupied Boston!
A word of friendly advice. You might consider changing from a .com to a .org to avoid being cast as a commercial site. I can see that you do not advertise, but the .com ending is still confusing to some. Keep up the great work and solidarity!
http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=entry+level&l=boston%2C+ma
304 New Entry Level Jobs available in Boston.
You all might want to think about getting one rather than complaining so much.
What jobs there are aren’t the problem. I have a job, a good one, and have been down at Occupy Boston every chance I get. Why? Because I believe in the ideas. It’s NOT lunacy to expect the richest 1% who control a whopping 99% of the country’s wealth to, oh I dunno, pay some freaking taxes? This isn’t rocket science, and it’s not a left or right political agenda. Nor is it “class warfare,” unless you consider the bloated 1% a “class.” They don’t even deserve the word.
The richest 1% also include Russell Simmons, Kanye West, and every athlete. Why don’t you have a sit in at Fenway Park?
Also, if Wall Street falls, we all fall. HARD. It’s not rocket science. It’s economics. I have a masters in it 🙂
Referring to your post below, Mr. Expert, I have a masters in economics too. Surprise! The problem isn’t your straw man argument about athletes. Typical distraction technique. And yes, I think the richest 1% ought to be taxed, and that totally includes Russel Simmons, Kanye West, and every athlete.
Go Sox, by the way.
You have a masters in econimics?? Bet ya teach them havard style economics too then right? would you give me $5 for this silver coin “uh no” Your intelligence astounds me why dont you edumacate me on sound economic policy if transferring my poorness to overseas safety nets that stop me from having to pay my taxes every year too??
“expect the richest 1% to pauy some taxes”
So Harvard-boy, what DO the richest 1% pay? 30% -40% of the taxes paid in this country?
You clown are so clueless its scary. And this is from a child of the 60’s. Your “messsage” is so incoherant it wouldn’t have made sense to us even during our acid-taking days.
RICHEST 1% OF THIS COUNTRY PAYS FOR 44% OF THIS COUNTRY. STOP ASKING FOR HANDOUTS
That is a very ignorant response. If only it was as easy as doing a quick search on a job site, then we wouldn’t be in this mess. I have several friends that are very knowledgeable, dedicated people that have applied to hundreds of positions, and don’t get so much as a courtesy denial. Educate yourself on the real severity of the situation instead of posting nonsense like this.
That’s not an ignorant response. It’s one with facts. Do your friends present themselves in an intelligent manor? Do they look like the ‘accepted norm’ here in america? Do they have the skills to obtain the jobs they’re seeking? Have they considered a job that’s not exactly what they’re looking for? Do they have spelling errors on their resumes? – Oh wait, too much “personal responsibility” and not enough – F the MAN for having too much money and not giving me some.
Wiat. What if they DID present themselves in an intelligent manor? What if they looked like freaking girl and boy scounts? What if they had all the skills in spades, and were even willing to get a job not in their field if they had to? What if they had no spelling errors on their resumes. What if ALL those things were in play and they still couldn’t get a job. What if you easy caricaturization of the jobless fell under the weight of your own blindness?
What if ‘manor’ means a big house, and ‘manner’ means the way you present yourself?
Snap – got me on the manor one…
All I’m saying is that you’re all putting a TON of effort into fighting the “Man” rather than putting a ton of effort towards the unemployment problem. I’m obviously not a Jimmy Carter fan, but imagine if you put all of your collective spirit into building something like he did with habitat rather than pointing fingers and complaining.
@ “Honesty:”
How do you expect to be taken seriously addressing things like spelling/grammatical errors when you apparently do not understand the difference between “manner” and “manor?”
The fact that you apparently do not understand the significance and symbolism of holding the protests on Wall Street is no surprise. You seem to have very little in the way of cognitive prowess.
Personally, I hold two jobs. One requires a great deal of education and proficiency to perform (and pays well) and the other is a low-wage retail position. Because of the condition of the economy, I am not able to work full time at the first position. The economy just isn’t able to support it. I work many hours at the retail position to make a fraction of what I make in two shorter days at the other. This is necessary and so I do it.
I don’t think you’re actually ignorant enough to believe that all the people participating in this protest are lazy and jobless, but you still seem eager to troll. Are you so insecure about the validity of your own convictions (and bored with your own life) that you have to kick up fecal matter on a board for the opposition? If you’re going to do so for the sake of ideological discourse, at least do a better job of presenting your viewpoint.
protest the colleges that charge the high tuitions not the busineses that would hire bright hard working college grads
honesty:
what if they think they are intelligent, but can’t spell for shit–like you? if they’re complete morons who cannot tie their own shoes but daddy has connections do you think they might still land on their feet? what if they are witness to massive theft by the rich against the poor and unprovoked police brutality against well-meaning americans but prefer to expend their effort defending the status quo and excusing state violence. is there any hope teat they might some day turn out to be decent human beings or are they destined to be scum for their entire lives?
Guys guys…I can’t spell. Sorry, not a strong suit for me. Dang homonyms. I can’t fathom that that hurts my argument as much as the “Brutality” claims from last night hurt yours. You were told to leave nicely for 3 hours. You didn’t listen. You got arrested. You cost the city lots of tax dollars in the process.
I honestly don’t understand what you’re looking for. IT SOUNDS like you’re looking for a system closer to those used in most European nations but I assure you, they’re worse off economically than you.
Rather than calling me a troll, present a rational solution. Don’t just tell people who don’t share your beliefs that they’re wrong.
Well, ‘Honesty’, I guess you see how things go around here – one typo and your whole argument goes out the window. That’s how shallow some of the people are here.
This is a mass strike movement, people are moving because it is the spirit of the times, just as Percy Bysshe Shelley said in his Defense of Poetry… We are at an intersection now where we will choose to become the species that we are meant to be, i.e. Promethean, space exploring, biosphere-bringin bad-asses or we will go fall into the deepest dark age of all human kind which would probably bring about the extinction of the species as a result of this 40 year bubble popping and blowing out the system before we can implement Glass-Steagall and address the scientific issues and solutions to the periodic extinctions which wiped out those big reptiles we keep digging up… just because you don’t understand history doesn’t mean you should follow this movement to put people down, you should do some sort of work for your job instead of surfing the web for people to shit on…
While you are correct that there are many jobs out there (whether they are entry level or not), the problem is not lack of jobs. There are plenty of jobs in America. The problem is that there is a lack of “good jobs” which a person can live comfortably by working, not a job that pays minimum wage and requires the person to work 60-70 hours per week to meet the poverty level (before taxes, rent/mortgages, insurance, food, etc). The issue that we’re facing is the abundance of thankless jobs where people are easily replaceable. CEOs leech off of the (although I hate to use the term) lower class and people are getting sick of it.
My boyfriend and I will be there next Saturday to show our solidarity – you see we both work full time in jobs that don’t pay us enough to ever save, to escape our caste, we don’t have 401k’s, he doesn’t have insurance, I do but I can’t afford the co-pays. We were both turned down by banks for school loans and federally backed financial aid loans – not that we’d even have the time to go with our schedules. We will never afford children. We can’t find products not made in China that aren’t over-priced and cheaply made. Rents, gas, mortgages, food are so highly priced in comparison to our incomes we are drowning. We are so stagnant that we have had anger building in us for what seem like endless years being frozen in time. We are the people Wall Street and corporate America fears… intelligent, ambitious people who have all the hope and fire in the world but with nothing to move toward. This has become our new goal. We are the 99 percent. The student faces you see are the tip of the iceberg – the ones who can be there because there’s no job to get… haven’t tried applying lately have you ? One out of every thousand applicants may be hired part time, if they’re even offering pay – because now they’ve begun turning some positions into internships because students are so desperate to get their foot in the door they’re offering to work for free. Think about changing jobs forget it (I had that idea when my position made me do the work of 6 people and froze my wages while they downsized) – 3000 resumes and 30 interviews later I finally landed a job that 100 other people applied to. (I was turned down for a pet food cashier position after I declined to go through a week of role playing auditions). I now make 25000 a year after taxes and insurance – never mind the gas to commute but it’s more than my last job and my co-pays are no longer $2000. I want jobs to return from China and India so employees are in demand again – I want my government back from the hands of wealthy lobbies. I want to stop being treated like my only value is how much cheap shit I can purchase to make someone else wealthy while they horde money at the top and freeze wages and decrease insurance contributions yet another year. I have a decent job now and a good boss but it doesn’t pay enough to meet the high cost of living. The frustration is building and that sir is what you should fear. You can paint us anyway you like but Wall Street and their monopolies are going down. The revolt has merely started. I think about all the underpaid overworked – ignored cashiers, supermarket, coffee shop, mega-store workers, waitresses, nurses, delivery guy, bank teller employees, abused Comcast and telecom call center, collection center,(or the ex ones whose jobs went to India) who are all just boiling underneath the surface and it truly makes me happy in my heart because I know people like you that dismiss this with the wave of your hand and a few strategic sentences are not even ready for what’s coming through the gates. We will never be silenced – We will never stop fighting for freedom – it’s in our blood and the soil of this country. (Unlike most corporations who are headquartered overseas and their greedy CEO’s whose ancestors were likely born from the blood of aristocrats.)
So, I have a job. Not an entry level job either.
As do a lot of people involved here.
This is about a lot more than just people not having jobs. (And why are a lot of people out of work? Because corporations have learned that they can just work their current employees a lot harder, pay them the same – or less – than they used to, and not bother hiring more people. Because the corporation can make more money if it has to pay fewer people, and it still gets the same amount of work done. For example: http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/06/speedup-americans-working-harder-charts)
It’s also about corporations using their financial power to control the government, while the majority of the actual people do not have nearly that power. One vote doesn’t count nearly as much as one massive donation.
You might want to think about researching what the protests are really about rather than being so dismissive and insulting.
Here’s some more reading for you: https://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/10/us/recession-officially-over-us-incomes-kept-falling.html?_r=3&hp=&pagewanted=print
Here’s how it starts: “In a grim sign of the enduring nature of the economic slump, household income declined more in the two years after the recession ended than it did during the recession itself, new research has found.
Between June 2009, when the recession officially ended, and June 2011, inflation-adjusted median household income fell 6.7 percent, to $49,909, according to a study by two former Census Bureau officials. During the recession — from December 2007 to June 2009 — household income fell 3.2 percent.
The finding helps explain why Americans’ attitudes toward the economy, the country’s direction and its political leaders have continued to sour even as the economy has been growing. “
I have a very good job. I stand with Occupy Boston.
I have a Master’s Degree & I’ve had 3 jobs for many years now just to try to keep above water while making minimum payments toward my student loans. I just left school because I got too sick and, in leaving, lost my insurance. And I just spent yesterday morning in jail after getting arrested for Occupy-ing Boston.
This is like George Orwell’s Animal Farm “pig revolution”. The head pig being George Soros, his commanders are Vann Jones, Bill Ayers,Stephen Lerner, Andy Stern etc…Their intention is quite similar , to throw out and kill the farm owner , enslave us all, all the while setting up tyranical special privliges for themselves. I am not a slave worker horse and reject your idea of more government intrussion on our lives. No thank you! I place my sacred honor on participating in your failure. I am the 53%
So you think it’s ok that wall street is a big casino, rather than an efficient allocator of capital to innovators with good ideas? And it’s ok with you that if the big players place losing bets, you should have to pay the house to cover their losses?
seamus said: “No thank you! I place my sacred honor on participating in your failure. I am the 53%” // Wow, no matter how you cut it, simple math is that 53% IS still part of the exploited 99%..
Good luck defending the 1%, trying to join their elite club. Hope you make it in this lifetime…. 😉
I don’t really care about the 1% and by the way they pay for over 40% of the bill. What I do care is that you are being led by progressives , unions and quite frankly very unAmerican types that wish, no demand to be intrussive on my freedoms.You will find terms being used like the “fairness doctrine”, “dream act” ‘redistribution of wealth” “single payer health care” “decriminalization of drugs”, ‘gun control” etc… This is not a group of liberty seekers, this is a mob of liberty takers. Your premise doesn’t even have logic by complaining about the government by instituting more government. Like I have written, you have been duped.But i know you are beginning to see it with the unions and the DNC usurping control of these gatherings. i just watched Debbie Wasserman Shultz on MSNBC brag about how Obama is capitalizing on this and the movement is now theirs. Obama needs the Goldman sachs money. Thankyou for being a useful idiot, leave your donations at the door. They will call you when they need you again.
This is not the illuminati or some wacko communist agenda, Senator McCarthy. This is a bunch of people who, for your information, totally dovetail with quite a few tea party ideals. Like how the bailouts were a bad idea? Like how corporate money in politics and “corporate personhood” is ruining democracy in its present form? You got a problem with $1 dollar one vote? The Occupy Boston points of protest are pure Vulcan logic about how the current influence that Wall Street has in politics has transformed this country from a democracy to a plotocracy. It’s disgraceful. By the way, I’m not a democrat. So maybe talk to some real people on the front lines of the protest before you sit in your arm chair and demonize / caricaturize the protestors with your straw-man arguments.
Please forgive the typos. Yes, I can spell plutocracy. ; )
You have been duped, Soros organized this months ago and is the primary strategy to reelect Obama. You are playing the part of “useful idiot well. Seems you are more upset with republicans(which I am not) by your cherry picking of which business and politicians to be angry with. We could discuss Solyndra, or g.E. or the assignation of Awalki without due process, but you are afraid to leave the Obama plantation. Look at the leaders of this fleabag movement and you will see their objectives. we don’t have to travel back too far in history to see the reults of these types of people. It is always the same, murder, destruction and trampling on individual rights. You are very wrong and the 53% are mocking you. You may have noticed that the unions have taking control of all aspects of this and it is no coincidence, it is by design.
Wait seamus our disorganized no point movement is now the lap-dog of Obama? – who said that – the corporate wind-bag media? Right wing radio? You? Government officials? … or maybe people trying to take the wind out of the sails of this open source movement which obviously has widely varying views? I think to say that we are all Obama supporters is like saying the whole Tea party supports Michelle Bachman or Sarah Palin. I don’t have a candidate there is no one I feel comes close to representing this movement. The one common denominator in all third world countries are regulations to entrepreneurship like fees, permits. licenses and weird regulations that cost a ton. But I’m for making damn sure no corporation can take or pollute public land. Subsidies should only be going to the elderly and disabled and not divided out only to construction developers or pregnant teenagers who are both frauding the system (there I said it). We should not be bailing out banks either while they privatize their profits and steal our tax dollars and hold our economy hostage. I see a greater and greater movement to this publicizing cost while privatizing profits – this must end. I see corporations pushing the government to make laws that regulate individual freedoms and drive out any competitors – this must end. I see corporations using more resources and profiting more than than i could ever fathom and then they refuse to pay their share in taxes and ship all our jobs to China and India- this must end. I see corporations driving the fraudulent welfare system that the government calls helping the poor while money ends up in their properties and in their cash drawers – Meanwhile the elderly have to sacrifice food to pay for medication when Congress passed laws to cut medicare they rightfully earned as a gift to the drug companies. All things must strike a balance – we are here to find that balance. Which we all know has been lost. It seems more and more that corporations are driving all of the things that are bad for our society. You mistake it for government – I say they are colluding.
You left out Acorn.
Folks, trying to make this movement look like a movement exclusively of the young and unemployed is is foolish. I am a 65-year-old small business owner and I back this movement 100%. Rather than trot out your well-drilled talking points (they don’t have jobs; they’re communists and want to enslave you – c’mon!), why don’t you seek out the people and engage them in discussion. Don’t be afraid of ideas. Don’t waste your time defending a dying order. What do you have to gain? Turn off your radio and go talk to some real people.
So true. My boss, the CEO of my company, is also on board with the protestors. These are merely brain-stem / knee-jerk reactions cultivated by the mainstream propaganda machine. When I was down there a guy in a pickup truck yelled out his window, “Get a job!” I yelled back, “I’ve got a good job; that’s not why I’m here!” But for some people it’s more comfortable to keep their heads in the sand sand.
I was being sarcastic . . .
That scenario only happens when power goes unchecked – don’t worry I’m sure the bought out corporate media won’t let that happen to you – they’re on your side (or couldn’t you tell)…doesn’t take much when you see who pays the advertising bills – watch the commercials. Your $200,000 plus salary is safe against taxation I’m sure if they look for it it’s all hiding in a nice trust somewhere or well placed loopholes that will keep us working poor paying 30 percent while you pay a pittance.
Above was meant to be In response to the Animal Farm comment by Seamus as the poor cause the wealthy to be taxed into slavery – ha ha ha h a ha – yeah that’s really going to happen we just have so much power wielded in our empty pockets to pay off all those lobbies. We’ve got them afraid though – that’s something – our collective voices cry freedom and their putting bars on their wallets? How ass backwards is this. This movement is about gaining rights and a chance to be happy but surely we just want to rob them of their wealth because we’re jealous of all the meaningless crap they can buy. They can’t even understand what freedom means – they equate everything to the almighty dollar. How about time – health, the pursuit of happiness. Money wouldn’t mean so much or be such a problem if Wall Street would stop inflating it and paying off and even going so far as threatening our government to do so.
Poor seamus, “None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.” – Goethe. The 53 vs the 99 is a false duchotomy. Classic misdirection from the plutocracy. Join with your people and flourish!
99% really? or just a slogan? Haven’t heard from the pro-life wing of the movement. Haven’t heard from the 2nd ammendment supporters. So you are really representing 47%,ironicly it is the same number that doesn’t pay taxes. Get rid of your slogans, do something productive, get a job, or create one. We have Asians and Hispanics coming here by the millions creating jobs and not sitting on their behinds complaining what nobody is giving them. There is no voice for anybody in this movement that doesn’t espouse radical extreme progressive views without some hippee chanting “mike check” I know, I went to both Boston and New York. If you really believe this slogan then you are a useful idiot, the ones who are running the show, know but can’t say that it is really an Obama2012 campaign stunt
Repsectfully Seamus, it is very obvious that your logic is coming directly from right-wing media which is hopping you up enough to attack a bunch of young confused kids who want a future worth living and don’t see one unless they settle for a service economy job.. I mean how many coffee shops can you open in an economy which produces jack-shit. They do get a little bit hopped up on the anti-corporation/green fascist nonsense that the lefties push and a lot of Obama’s cronies are trying to high-jack this thing to whine about stopping corporate greed and raising taxes (which Obama has been “Twyyying to do but congwess wont let him”) which really isn’t the issue, it’s the banking crisis and the corruption with Wall St. deregulation starting after the takedown of the Bretton-Woods in 1971. Also, a Green Fascist of the Rohatyn clan from Middlebury College by the name of Bill McKibbon is trying to high-jack this thing to be a greenie nut festival ripping up asphalt and “saving the environment..” But i know from many days down there that they are desperately looking for a solution to the economic crisis and i think they simply need to hone in on this Wall Street thing that they started with because that is the core to the economic crisis, we have bailed them out for about $30 Tril so far with the discount window wide open to the international markets under Obama, Bernanke and Geithner, and they still need more to bail out the Euro, which is exactly Obama’s intention aside from an all out Cheney-style drone missile dictatorship which he kicked off last week. Their biggest fear is if this movement nationwide adopts the demand for Glass-Steagall which currently has bipartisan support in the house, This is why they’re spending so much time trying to neutralize the threat with all of these irrational noise… because Passing GS (HR 1489) would change the tide and would prompt the congress to impeach Obama because he will attempt to block Glass-Steagall again like he did with the Cantwell-McCain bill last year using that Douchie McPhee Barney Skank and his 2000 page, loophole-filled, Dodd-Frank Bill. Give the kids a break and come down and help them out, you owe it to the nation to make this thing work.. I mean these guys are mostly college kids who were taught mostly by some of the most liberal scum on the planet, they want solutions they’re just need leadership to step up, if you can fill the gap, do it, don’t attack these kids on the interweb, thats just childish.
As George Carlin once said, you are “stunningly and embarrassingly” full of *hit.
We don’t have a uterine-control (Pro-Life) or trigger-happy (2nd Amendment) wing, and btw I am a gun owner. Go back to your Koch Brothers backed Tea-Bagger movement where you will find many others with their heads rammed firmly and tightly up their arses happily together marching off the edge of a cliff. Leave us out of it.
Anyone who wishes to become part of the growing movement of disgusted people is more than welcome. Your simplistic responses are predictable, in fact, just as predictable as the brain-dead folks who continue to rant, “Get a job.” I have an excellent job, but I also have a soul and a conscience. I realize that millions of others do not have this same advantage. Wall St. IS RESPONSIBLE for the economic collapse of our nations’ economy. FACT. That is the central issue for most of
us. Like it or not. Wall St. IS the target and their rotten, corrupt, greedy, rapacious ways of doing business without regard for any consequences of their actions. By the way, I am no longer a fan of Obama, since he has proven to be just another tool of the corporate structure and greed best represented by the self-proclaimed Masters of the Universe. They are going down. I would like nothing more than to
see some of these criminals (a la Bernie Madoff) being tried, convicted
of their excesses and their crimes, and sentenced to prison. Orange is a great color. I would hope they wear it well. Good riddance.
Right on Mary B. thats what i like to hear! Lets shut down State Street Bank and turn it into a public school with a bad ass science program so we can get back to space!
Seamus is brain dead. Refuting it’s drivel, let alone trying to make sense of it, shouldn’t be worth your time
This site is extraordinarily hierarchical and incapable or expressing the plurality of views I’ve heard articulated at the protests themselves. From the memo in support of indigenous peoples to the coverage of last night’s arrests, this has been a venue for poisonous, impersonal and useless rhetoric and vitriol. That the movement has not articulated demands is fine with me, even a good thing; let the 1% punch fog for a while and worry about what’s coming. But to use this as the public face of a movement that relies on the inclusiveness and basic friendliness on display in Dewey Square is counterproductive.
I don’t mean to denigrate the efforts of the admins–they have an impossible task. But a wiki would better represent the structure of the movement as it currently exists. And there is a wiki, and everyone is flaming each other here instead (as I type this at 4:16, the last edit to the wiki was at 1:12). This is beyond discouraging for me, and I’ve been to Dewey Square. When I’m there, Occupy is obviously of and for the people. Reading here, it looks stilted and confrontational.
One of the symptoms of the social disease afflicting this country is the eagerness to embrace simple controversies and endlessly increase the volume rather than finding solutions. In the square I saw a diversity of interests. It never seemed like people focused on one cause didn’t care about others. But they worked on what they were motivated to do, and left other work to the people who were inspired to do it. Without anyone at the square setting a single unified agenda, the diversity of concerns results in everyone who has a goal pursuing it. Here, the one-at-a-time nature of blog posts results in people venting their frustration and impatience at having to wait their turn. To say nothing of the spoilers and stooges (and likely AI bots).
I didn’t have a computer when I was at the square, so I don’t know the state of connectivity there, but when it didn’t seem like there were many people engaging online. If most of the people there are not online, then this channel is being dominated by those like me who are removed and disconnected from you guys on the ground, and who are frustrated in a million ways–in my case, by the fact that I can’t be there, and for others no doubt by the fact that their only window into the movement reveals a frankly banal youtube-esque comment string.
As I said, I don’t want to denigrate anyone’s efforts. But I hope the admins will think a bit about whether they can really put themselves in the shoes of someone for whom this is the definitive face of the occupation and respond accordingly. I won’t be able to make it to the GA tonight, and I’ll be relying, again, on how it’s presented online.
Thank you for the opportunity to speak.
You raise some quality points. Still, I think it’s important to respond to the blind snips and snark somewhere. I mean, I know what you mean, but I think there does need to be SOME online presence, some kind of “pressure release valve” where people can indeed vent their stupid crap. And be responded to. Controlling the message is important, but the strength of these ideas will stand with the hopefully intelligent rebuttals to the common – and frequently lacking – arguments that people level against Occupy Boston. ,
Controlling the message? There is no message to control. Count me in the actual 99% laughing at you fools
Okay, count me in the 100% laughing at your tight jeans while you’re at it 🙂
I have found this blog to be useful and informative and rational. I’ve visited the camp 3 times. I think both are valuable. True that it’s easier to be vitriolic on a blog, but it’s heartening to read the civilized and hopeful responses whenever someone pops in spewing hate/ignorance.
I meant to say “useful and informative and (mostly) rational.”
I agree. We live in a network society in which media (in this case online media) is power. Our trust in Occupy Boston is based on our faith that stories are being reported objectively. Shouldn’t there be some mention of the democratic process by which we are receiving the Occupy Boston media? Everyone was in a frenzy last night over the twitterfeed and livestream coverage of the mass arrests, which shows the impact, and importance, of media leadership.
I agree strongly with the OP here, but also feel that ignorance and stupidity must constantly be directly and calmly confronted. I admit guilt at sometimes edging into vindictiveness, but only because my gut is on fire with what I would say is some pretty damn righteous anger.
anon’s observation regarding the hierarchical nature of the occupation movement makes me think that when Lenin said that “imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism” he might also have added that “anarchism is the worst formof elitism.”
In fact, what I said about the occupation movement was that it was emphatically not hierarchical. What I said was that a blog is a hierarchical structure: certain people can post, but most are relegated to easily-ignored comments. What is happening in Dewey Square is not hierarchical at all; you can tell because if it was, the leaders would likely have articulated their demands by now (and would have been quietly coopted by the interest groups that do that sort of thing.) I opposed the hierarchical structure of a blog to the participatory structure of a wiki: as with the protests, a wiki requires one to invent one’s own entry point–to start editing where one thinks an edit is needed, rather than simply gainsaying the last thing that was posted. I am sympathetic to your feeling that there might be elitism on display in the movement, but I’m more concerned about the kind of elitism that drinks $15 Bud Lights in private boxes at the World Series than the kind that sleeps on the street in Boston and gets in my way when I’m trying to get on the T. Nice cowboy hat, though!
Last Thursday I had to pass up joining the October2012.org protest to be a a dear friend’s funeral in Boston. So I visited Occupy Boston and was totally impressed with the commitment to non-violence, non-confrontation, dialog, consensus building around the major complaints all of us have in this movement. I was so impressed with the relationship already built with those in charge of the Dewey Sq. green space. I was shocked and flabbergasted to wake up this morning back in California and find out about the violent and uncalled for action by the City of Boston. I’ve just donated you money and will keep you in my thoughts throughout the action as I participate here in the Bay Area. Rebuild stronger! Thanks. Tom Luce, Berkeley, California.
“commitment to non-violence, non-confrontation”
“violent and uncalled for action by the City of Boston”
They refused to leave intentionally and actively engaged in civil disobedience, which is, wait for it, CONFRONTATIONAL.
Read “Civil Disobedience” by Henry David Thoreau. Then read the Constitution in its entirety. Free speech…Right to Assemble to seek redress from our government…….Constitutional guarantees. Confrontation is also part of the process. Please get over yourself.
Don’t let the bastards get you down! Solidarity from NYC…
Wasn’t that written on a wrist watch somewhere about 20 years ago?
I have to say that not so long ago I wrote off the Tea Party as a bunch of lunatics with a crazy religeous-right agenda. However spurred on by the “Occupy” protests I’ve been doing more actual research instead of just jumping to conclusions.. and I have to say that the similarities are quite profound. If the Occupy forces join with the Tea Party activists than there would truly be a force that would command respect.
It’s important not to be polarized anymore. We are all the 99%! We need to unite!!
Roger that.
Tea Party -join the revolution – The politician’s don’t care about you – we do !!! Stop letting them hi-jack your movement!!! You’re in the 99 percent!!! Wouldn’t Boston be the best place to start this??!!! Let’s throw out the government stamped corporate sold tea (It was made in China like all our products are now) !!!!!!
I think a lot of Tea Party people are well intentioned but hopelessly ill informed which should come as no surprise when you look at the kind of indoctrination they receive from the media. Self-employed small business people suffer from the delusion of thinking they are in the same boat as the megacorporations that are destroying the middle class, the economy, the environment, and our democratic system of government.
“We will we will hold our general assembly tonight at 7 pm, as scheduled, and remain focused on the central purpose of this movement.”
And that central purpose would be…
Anyone?
Oh please, get off your high horse and try engaging and reading up on things before sptting out your snarky comments.
No high horse, and why do you think I found my way to this site? I want to know more about it, but what I find is a bunch of “we are the high and mighty,” type rhetoric without anything meaningful. I’m not trying to troll here. I think there are some definite imbalances in our social fabric, and I emphatically support the right to protest. But I’m getting a lack of content error when I look for the purpose.
What is the recommended change?
If I’m on an airplane, see smoke coming from one of the engines, and protest when the pilot fails to do anything about it, is my protest somehow less valid because I do not know how to fix an airplane engine? They’re called “protests” and not “proposals” for a reason; because they exist to protest a current state of affairs, not necessarily to propose solutions. And, anyway, you cannot possibly believe that the Occupy movement has less focus than our actual policymakers, who couldn’t find their rear end with both hands.
I do not speak for the group, but in my opinion our central purpose would read something like:
“We the people of Occupy Boston recognize that there are fundamental problems with the current social-economic systems in our country. We envision a forum where all who are willing can collectively address these problems. Diversity is our strength, dialogue is our process and ideas are our currency. If you agree we face these problems, join us in developing the solutions.”
That is in the top ten of intelligent things I’ve read about this movement. The only thing I’d change about it is ideas being currency. I know a lot of people that never have good ideas, but are more than capable of expounding on other’s ideas as well as implementing them.
I don’t see how anyone in the country would disagree that there’s something that ain’t right. The only difficulty is getting them to be civil as they try to reach a solution to the problems. Everyone needs to be equal, and not feel like their good ideas will be mocked or ignored. There’s a lot of prejudice flying around, and there is also a lot of victim-mentality that has been encouraged by that prejudice. Everyone breathes, eats, and craps – regardless of any choice they make, how they were born, the options they have through life and the choices they make when presented with those options. There’s no more or less right or wrong with me than there is with anyone else!
Let’s remind ourselves that everybody has problems in life, and some of them would be easier to deal with if the democracy we’ve been told we live in was really representing the voters 100%, and only interested in the well-being of them and their children’s children, instead of letting the trips to Aruba be represented.
All of this.
to find a way to broadcast it live on the internet and do the kind of stacking that will facilitate the effective participation of all six billion of the global population.
You are literally accomplishing nothing except making noise. Go to work.
Such things were said during the Civil Rights Movement too…
Christ Jesus, Al. They are working. And many of them have jobs, but are there anyway. All ages, libertarians, liberals, Republicans and Democrats. Maybe you should stop working so hard and, I dunno, talk to some real people for whom this matters.
MANY of us work. I have a full-time job and I am also a full-time student, all while being a presence in this movement. Please do not make off-color and presumptuous comments — unless it’s you who has nothing better to do?
We are going to work. If you only think it’s noise you’re deaf in the brain.
And by the way, where is the evidence of the vicious assault? What I’ve heard from people who were there but not captive to a need for propaganda, is that the arrests involved minimal force.
What evidence do you need, Perplexed? Does it need to be gift wrapped and reported by the corporate news outlets the way you want it, or do you want to take some people’s word for it that things went down the way they did? Maybe go downtown and talk to the protestors with freaking bandages talking with defence attorneys right now. Or do you want to go to the scene of the crime and dust for prints? I mean, what “evidence” do you need?
I’ve talked to people who were there that I trust. I’ve yet to actually read the MSM account on the matter. And what they have told me, was that a minimal amount of force was used. I’m sure you know that the amount of force wielded by an arresting police authority is generally proportional to the amount of resistance. I believe I’ve read on these pages the sound advice that people not resist. This is indeed the best approach to civil disobedience. But then, you kind of blow it when you make outlandish claims. Words like assault, vicious, phrases like “wielding billy clubs,” are all intended to paint a certain picture. It’s a picture that is easily verifiable. And it’s one that doesn’t stand up to the photographic evidence that has already been published all over the net. You need people to take you seriously, this is not the way to get that done.
Fantastic points.
http://www.twitvid.com/J8KFK
http://www.youtube.com/embed/bgtid5sOX_M
http://www.youtube.com/embed/nD44UxxYg_Y
http://player.vimeo.com/video/30365051?title=0&byline=0&portrait=0
http://www.youtube.com/embed/EFzn-VDnIR0
Didn’t you see that scraped elbow on the protester with the bandana over his face? What a group of radicals – acting like they’re oppressed because they won’t obey the law.
Say what you want, but it was more than scraped elbows, Mr. Iwasn’tEvenThereButLiketoMakeSmartyPantsComments.
To tell you the truth, it looks to me as though some of the activists were deliberately trying to derail the occupation by forcing the cops to make arrests. If the Greenway Foundation that manages the disputed area really DID give its permission, this fact was not processed in a way that would, could, and should have resulted in a court order legitimizing occupation of the Greenway.
These people were moving tents toward the Greenway early on Sunday afternoon, a day and a half before the cops took action.
The way things are being done now, which seems to make an expensive police presence necessary is totally unsustainable and only aggravates the economic damage being already being done by the banks, Wall Street, and big corporations..It makes about as much sense as trying to put out a fire by pouring on gasoline.
Strange, there doesn’t seem to be a way to reply to Mr. Eaton. At any rate, Josh, i looked at a few of your videos, and what I saw were protestors freely moving about, with the occasional assault by protestor against police officer. I’m quite curious how a man swinging a flag pole at a police officer is a demonstration of police brutality. Some readers may recall seeing a picture from an earlier era of a man being stabbed with a flag pole as part of a Boston protest movement. Not good company.
Between these questionable claims and the inability to account for the legal defense funds, I think the movement might do better with different leadership.
Please see my note on legal defense funds, below. If you find that explanation in any way unsatisfactory or un-transparent, please feel free to contact me directly and I’d be happy to provide you with an additional information.
Also, this movement has no leadership.
@perplexed: How dare you suggest Mr. Eaton’s handling of these matters is erroneous when he has done so much for such a large group? Few can adopt the position he has here without falling into a power trip. He has humbly published for the group based on consensus and calm rationale. He is not trying to be any more of a leader than he wants the rest of us to be; rather, HE is doing HIS part and then some. Until you are accomplishing anything nearly as powerful for the world or even for a group of people this size, kindly back off.
Also, I can’t imagine what you mean about not being able to respond to him. I have engaged in exchanges with him on this forum just as I have with everyone else.
A couple clarifying points, if you will:
– I do respect your right to questioning any authoritative voice; your freedom to speech allows you to put ideas forth as you just did. Perhaps instead of using the words “How dare you?” I should have politely explained that I personally am in complete opposition to your suggestion that someone else would do better what he is doing. Perhaps you should go participate if you feel this way.
– I’d like to point out that I have not met Joshua Eaton in person and thus am not making any points based on social ties. I am simply defending his character and motives based on personal morals and benefit of the doubt, just as I am defending my fellow occupiers’ motivations based on such. These measures are a last resort. We have all been lied to from “above” for so long that I know no other way than to trust my comrades. Why not give this more time, more patience, and show each other more respect? It’s the least we can do.
I would have to agree that police brutality was the wrong language to use from watching these videos. But with that said, I have to say that first off the reason for the city to send the police to remove the protestors is both legally questionable and constitutionally questionable. Also I would say in the second link Josh provided that the police officer that pushed the guy off the ledge there is lucky that the person didn’t sustain any serious injuries. That could have easily ended up with him in serious condition in some hospital ICU.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/bgtid5sOX_M
Also in the 4th link
http://player.vimeo.com/video/30365051?title=0&byline=0&portrait=0
at the 1:53-1:54 minute mark you will see a police officer shove a man to the ground for no apparent reason. look under the words “did you” at those time markers to see it.
Keep the movement ALIVE. Stay and OCCUPY.
HELLO! Thank you all, infinite love/respect to fellow occupiers. Can someone PLEASE address the issue of the $10,000+ we raised today as bail-out money for those arrested early this morning? I personally donated and would like to know that the excess $ is being held on reserve for future bail-outs, including my own if need be. You estimated that we would need $4,000, and we now have $10,000. Those of us who donated our hard-earned cash deserve both to know what the status of those arrested is (have they all been bailed?) and to understand how this fund is being managed. Please provide information. Thank you so very much!
For anyone who is wondering something similar, Joshua Eaton addressed my concern with the following:
“Funds are being collected for bail, lawyer’s fees, court fines, and other legal expenses, as well as medical expenses for protestors injured by police. Obviously, most of these cases are ongoing, so it’s impossible to know exactly how costly they’ll be at this time. How to use any leftover funds will be decided by consensus vote in the Occupy Boston General Assembly, which includes all participants.”
But that doesn’t answer the question, does it? What people who donated want to know is – where’s the money? I saw in another post on this site that said donations had to come in the form of cash or money orders because you “can’t cash checks yet.”
So the question is, where is that cash? In somebodys jacket pocket or in a dedicated account earning some interest?
Your treasurer MUST answer that question. Do you even have one? Or are the people who donate to you just supposed to trust you, no questions asked? Ten G’s is a fair sum of money.
I set up the Legal Defense Fund on WePay at around 3 am this morning on very, very short notice so that we could begin accepting legal defense donations online as quickly as possible. The WePay account is in my name (Occupy Boston is not incorporated and we do not yet have a fiscal sponsor, so we are not a legal entity to whom checks can be written, etc).
So far, none of the $10,000+ has been spent—bail came out of a cash bail fund raised on-site and other legal expenses either haven’t been incurred or haven’t come due yet, though they most certainly will. We are working on setting up a transparent, ethical process to disperse, document, and report these funds. Please bear with us and, if you have any expertise in these areas or know of a 501(c)(3) that might be willing to serve as our fiscal sponsor, please let us know!
If you have any more questions, please feel free to contact me directly: jeaton@post.harvard.edu
Good enough, Joshua, as long as it’s transparent and everyone knows what’s being done with the money.
You’ld be wise to set up a daily update so that everyone knows.
I agree, transparency is important.
Joshua, thank you sincerely for your honesty and patience with us as we try to work through this and stay in the loop. I do know that the best way to do so is to visit the site, and I will be there again ASAP.
Things I’m sick of…
Having worked my ass off for the last 22 years, starting at age 14 and watching woman pop off kid after kid and I support them thru my taxes and their kids are going to better public schools then mine.
CEOs making 55 grand a day and they cry poor mouth and want to decrease my pay.
Cops that weigh 160 lbs flexing as they walk by occupy Boston. No seriously flexing. U don’t need to flex if u have a gun officers.
The fact that the bpd was talking down to young protesters and the minute the nurses union showed up they got manners and used the words sir and ma’am.
Things I’m proud of.
My work ethic
Being American
Supporting my family without help or assistance
I must say it is hard to decipher your ideologies based on this comment. At least you are honest, though.
I will point out that your support of others via welfare is essentially an illusion. Single mothers and “welfare cheats” are painted as the enemy by deceptive, monstrous media corps such as Fox. You think THOSE people are where your $$ is disappearing to? Think again. They pit us against each other to keep us fearful and hostile. Jay, you could (god forbid) throw every “welfare cheat” into the ocean with rocks tied to their feet, and you’d see not one speck of difference in our f*cked up economic system. I guarantee this. The anger here is blatantly misdirected.
Fight against the real enemy. Stand up to corporate greed and tell them that YOU’VE BEEN WORKING your whole goddamn life FOR YOUR GOVERNMENT. Make it work for you!!!
U.
I am together with u on your stance. I’m sorry if I went on a personal tangent. I have been fighting my whole life for right and AGAINST corporate greed. IM UNION.
Jay, wouldn’t seem to let me reply to your response below, but here I am on top! I can offer nothing but forgiveness to your apology. It is easy to lash out in frustration. We all feel helpless sometimes, and I have said many things I regret as a result of misguidance. Thank you for understanding the place I come from, for being able to put your outrage in the right places and to STAND WITH US to fix this. I am here for YOU; we are all here for each other — not for these money-bagging corporate ****s who want to keep us down.
In any case, the last thing we should do is allow them to think they have won, to think they have successfully duped us into publicly shaming those at the very bottom of the pile. The truly impoverished — on welfare or not — are struggling even more than we are, and we have to practice empathy in its rawest form when it comes to this issue.
PEACE to you Jay, as well as my deepest respect to your honest labor and to your ultimate open-mindedness. And SOLIDARITY TO US ALL! 🙂
If you are rebuilding, then please start by watching this. http://youtu.be/Xbp6umQT58A
To me, this movement was all about freedom. Stop thinking government is the answer to all your problems. This movement should be about people not organizations or celebrities…this means ditch the unions and stop promoting political rhetoric because your alliance with them compromises the message.
Absolutely untrue, with all due respect. I understand what you say. But I do not think any of us can imagine working entirely outside the system to be realistic or effective. Should we be wary of big voices? CERTAINLY. But there ARE allies out there who can earn our trust. Take a look at Elizabeth Warren, running for Mass. Senate next year. We can promote her rhetoric because it genuinely speaks to our interests. Warren is saying just what we occupiers have been, and that is going to be more valuable to our cause than any march in the streets will (believe me, I LIVE for the marching myself).
Most of us are not necessarily anti-capitalism (actually, my ideal world does operate on socialism, to be fair, but that’s a long way off). In any case, rather than wanting to TEAR DOWN the current system entirely, I think most of us would like to start by working from within the system. Putting legislation into effect that CHECKS the ethics of some (many) practices. We are not (YET) asking for an entirely different government. We are DEMANDING, rather, that our current one listen to us, that they hear our needs before those of corporations. We are asking that they revisit campaign finance reform and that they STOP LYING TO US.
As for unions, J, that’s a different story. These people are as frustrated as we are. They are us; we are them. There is no shame whatsoever in embracing support and common morals. That’s what this is about.
Who said anything about tearing down the system? I’m talking about diminishing it. Real change comes from within and it is expressed through the individual(s) and capitalism is good when it has diversity of resource owners and isn’t being attracted towards government via big money. Government cannot be trusted once given the power to control and oversee. Once you expand that power, you consolidate resources under one or few ideologies and that leads to tyranny. Even the changes you seek should be under checks and balances to avoid the same tyranny and suppression of cognitive and basic liberties. Freedom, in all its forms, is the only way, in my opinion.
Our problems are so entirely systemic it’s ridiculous. From the failure of media to watch our backs to ourselves, as individuals, who chose to become involved in the goings on of fake reality tv rather than getting involved in our democracy. One of the things I found to be profound about this movement is the working democratic process of the GA’s. It was an excellent learning experience and I learned the frustrations and excitement with being involved in a democratic process. It’s about the individuals and the community we build which bring about real change, not the organizations/personalities. Organizations/personalities always have an agenda. Just like Michael Moore, Martha Coakley, Cornell West and the Unions.
As for the unions, I get what you say…but you are missing the point. The union leaders have given huge sums of money to democratic coffers. How can something like that not influence government much like Wall Street does? Check this link: http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=27012
I’m all for the basic premise of this movement, but I cannot, in good conscience, be a part of something endorsed by the unions, which is just as corrupt as the moneyed interests in our bloated government. I want nothing from anyone. I only value my freedom and in return I value yours. It’s that simple.
Thank you, J. I’ll admit I don’t have enough knowledge on the union front to have put my foot in my mouth. I think many of us are still learning; I know I have vowed to, and will take your thorough comment as the basis for a new lesson. I mean this sincerely: I have heard you and appreciate you taking the time with an eloquent response.
As for the overarching stance, I think we share largely similar goals; forgive me if my rushed comment and lack of articulateness led you to think otherwise. My point (and perhaps it would have been a better rebuttal to a comment other than yours) is that many of us are not ANTI-AMERICA and ANTI-CAPITALISM and ANTI-SYSTEM, as we have been labeled. I know that’s not what you were suggesting either. Capitalism isn’t inherently evil if we put a check on the abuse of power. Blah blah blah. I’m not adding anything new here. Better luck to me next time;)
Solidarity from Athens, Greece.
The 99% of people is with you!!
That’s beautiful. Thank you for your support!
One of my truest hopes is that the whole world really IS watching. For too long, those of us who see our government for what it actually is have sat around biting our nails and allowing the rest of the globe to think this is OUR DEMOCRACY. I hope the world will guess again, and put faith behind those of us who are fighting back against all the injustices committed against our own people as well as many others.
Hi you guys! Hang in there, be calm, be patient, GET SOME SLEEP!
Bringing food and meds down soon.
all the best, YOU GUYS ARE GREAT!
This is not an easy fight but eventually people will wake up and
HEAR YOU!
YOU ARE GREAT! YOU ARE WONDERFUL!
THANK YOU!
In NY here. SO PROUD OF YOU BRAVE MEN & WOMEN!!! I was elated to see you were re-building! It takes great strength, courage and resolution to do what you’re doing and the people are watching! I support you wholeheartedly! Thank you so much for taking a stand!
Here is one of the most important banking cases out there. Please take a moment to read it and check out the other links in the comments.
http://dailybail.com/home/fear-and-loathing-on-wall-street-catastrophic-implications-f.html
I am a libertarian in favor of free market capitalism as the solution, but the people of Occupy Boston are the people we need to stand with and educate and be educated by. If you go down there and talk to enough people you will find many other libertarians. We were talking about Barry Goldwater earlier in the evening.
I was down there for most of it. I left and went home at about 2:30 am. I had the sign that said “Bobby Kennedy Lives” I overheard one scary looking young cop say to another, “I love that guy with the Bobby Kennedy sign.” I think the big issue was that everyone was terrified the police were going to overrun the Dewey Square camp too. I imagine everyone was kind of frazzled this morning.
I have this joke among friends, just something I made up based on my one very positive experience complaining to the Mayor’s office, that the mayor comes back from lunch and waits until 2 or 3:00 when something comes across his desk to make him angry and busy for the rest of the afternoon. This sudden move of tents must have seemed unfair.
I personally wish cops could dump a lot of this New World Order stuff and return to John Wayne. Maybe they could just wrestle everyone into a bus and just drop them off at a bus stop out in Hyde Park. (Another inside joke for Boston people. I can’t get the Boston Globe website to work so I can put this comment there.)
Die peasants……..You are all college students with a trust fund and a grudge…You’re the kids that never grew up and rid yourselves of teen angst….You’re looking for something to complain about you are crying about repression….You know nothing of repression I am of the Dinka from Sudan,you want repression……
Oath concerning the professional ethics of police officers
I DO SOLEMNLY DECLARE UPON MY HONOUR AND CONSCIENCE THAT I WILL ACT AT ALL TIMES TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY AND KNOWLEDGE IN A MANNER BEFITTING A POLICE OFFICER
I WILL PRESERVE THE DIGNITY AND WILL RESPECT THE RIGHTS OF ALL INDIVIDUALS
I WILL DISCHARGE MY DUTIES WITH INTEGRITY AND WILL PROMOTE UNDERSTANDING AND CONCILIATION
I WILL EXERCISE MY AUTHORITY AS A POLICE OFFICER IN THE MANNER INTENDED BY THE LAW
I WILL FAITHFULLY OBEY THE ORDERS OF MY SUPERIORS AND WILL BE READY TO CONFRONT DANGER IN THE LINE OF DUTY
I WILL ACT WITH HONESTY, COURTESY AND REGARD FOR THE WELFARE OF OTHERS, AND WILL ENDEAVOUR TO DEVELOP THE ESPRIT DE CORPS
I WILL ACT JUSTLY AND IMPARTIALLY AND WITH PROPRIETY TOWARDS MY FELLOW OFFICERS
I WILL CONSTANTLY STRIVE TO HONOUR THIS OATH IN MY SERVICE AS A POLICE OFFICER
On my honor,
I will never betray my badge1,
my integrity, my character,
or the public trust.
I will always have
the courage to hold myself
and others accountable for our actions.
I will always uphold the constitution2
my community3 and the agency I serve.
I think it would do well to remind the officers of the BPD of these words. Question their character. Show them true esprit de corps. Do it nonviolently and with courage. Do not back down!
OccupyBoston please stand strong. You are representing the voices of thousands. You are supported – here is a
POLL:
As the “Occupy” protests continue in Boston and other US cities, what are your feelings about the protests and those who are protesting?
RESULTS
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/specials/occupy_opinion_poll/
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What do you mean ‘rebuilding’? Are you trying to spin last night’s silliness at your SECOND occupation as if the BPD came into Dewey Square and tore everything up? You were told to go BACK to Dewey and stop occupying a part of the Greenway that you were not authorized to.
When the city gives you a part of it’s space, occupancy permit and health permit free, don’t bite the hand that feeds you.
Been blogging and tweeting (@LiveUnfolded) about what happened! Have started dialogue with friends and family to raise awareness. It is a sad commentary on the state of our democracy when peaceful protestors get labeled as anarchists without cause. Stay safe!
stay strong, stay peaceful, try not to scream at the police, they are your comrades too.
Rose Kennedy Would Have Allowed The Protesters To Camp On Her Lawn.
By Lloyd Hart
Rose Kennedy would most definitely have allowed the Occupy Boston protesters to camp on her lawn. Having lived through the dirty thirties and being an eye witness to the callousness by which the haves treated the millions made homeless as a result of the bursting of the housing bubble that precipitated the 1929 stock market crash, Rose Kennedy would have seen our modern day “Hoovervilles” cropping up and would organized to feed the occupants, not remove them. It might be a fantasy of mine but I believe that the Kennedy boys got their heart from Rose Kennedy as they most certainly did not get it from old Joe.
With a clearly authoritarian response from Mayor Menino, the city of Boston has drawn a line that they plan to enforce that the protesters are not allowed to cross. Is the Mayor somehow trying to protect the memory of Rose Kennedy or as they speciously stated to protect some shrubs by violating the protesters right to assembly or are they really fearful that the camp will simply grow to fill the whole green way to properly match the real state of the economy.
The Hoovervilles of the 1930s came about in many respects for the same reasons that the Occupy movement did. As a response to the establishment’s lack of response to the economic suffering of millions of unemployed and homeless men, women, and children all across America. The out of site out of mind mentality of our society has hidden the unemployment and homeless crisis in America this time around almost as cynically as it did in the 1930s. Sure things aren’t quite as bad now as they were then. We have had unemployment insurance, some healthcare and a really lame stimulus bill but all that simply served to slow the downward spiral, not halted it. What is going to happen when the unemployment insurance extensions come to an end and the unemployed have no where to go? Millions of the unemployed with no income and no roof over their heads? What then Mayor Menino? And hasn’t it already begun Mayor?
What is happening economically is an emergency much larger than the war on terror or any other scam the political and corporate establishment could blow up our collective asses and Mayor Menino knows it, but doesn’t want to see it camped in down town Boston. Well, that’s just too bad Mayor. Cause what’s comin if you continue to enforce that utterly cynical line you’ve drawn in the green way will be larger and angrier than the police will be able to deal with.
Maybe Mayor, you should think a little about what Rose Kennedy would do.
Lloyd Hart
508-687-9153
I, for one, wish that SOMEONE, would articulate what the goals or objectives of this movement are. What will satisfy you? What progress will cause you to leave? Do you know? (or care)?
It takes time (which, unfortunately for those of us who have sat through a G.A. or two know, can be trying on the patience) to allow space for all participants in a horizontal democracy to voice their concerns, their grievances and their reasons for getting involved in a movement like Occupy Boston. While I (an active member of the Occupation) can certainly relate to the feelings of impatience and confusion caused by the lack of a clear objective or timeline, I am reminded of the fact that I have sat by, patiently waiting for the past 10 years, for our nation to call an end to two wars of aggression, to demonstrate through our legal and federal governing systems that decisions can be made rationally and ethically, and to devise a fair and equitable way to mitigate the impact of our crushing national (and global) recession. If I could wait for 10 years with no results and mounting frustrations, exhausting all of my traditional means of participation until I’ve resorted to protest, I only hope that the City of Boston, Mayor Menino, and all you skeptics out there might be willing to give us a little longer than ONE WEEK to come up with a list of concrete demands. Moreover, I hope you’ll begin to hear the message that, rather than criticize us for not immediately producing these demands, you’ll come and join in the conversation, lending your support to the movement rather than trying to tear it down, so that we might have enough time to develop some credible and realistic solutions.
Petitchou, thank you. What a beautiful, reflective answer that parallels my own whenever people challenge Occupy’s motivations. You, however, have outlined the complexity/challenges of the honing of issues with a level of patience and eloquence than I have not always been able to muster in the face of skeptics. Thank you for your clarity, and for the reminder to handle this matter with grace.
@Have an objective!: As Petitchou said above, it is frustrating for us ALL when the message could seemingly be more coherent. This partial disarray is simply the movement’s birth acting as a sounding board for all types of frustrations we have been repressing — some of us for years and years. As far as Boston’s branch is concerned, I have witnessed an almost shocking level of patience among many in educating each other, and in being educated. With time, respect, and faith, we will see this grow…both in size and in the maturity of its objectives.
To write this off as a radical group with no clear goals is an easy way out. Please speak to more of us before you will publish over-arching accusations.
Peace and Solidarity from OccupyPortland! Rest, Restore and Rock on!!!
I’ve realized that my issue with the mis-leading rhetoric isnt so much that it’s wrong (demonstrably so), but that it moves the focus from where it ought to be. The issue isn’t whether or not a few protestors were roughed up by police. Stop talking about that!
The police were just doing their job, but somebody further up directed them. Why the decision to restrict the area of protest? This is the question that matters most right now. If you make the focus an argument with police, then you lose.
This is great I’m so proud to pe part of this! At what point are we going to set up a camp infront of Barney Franks house? After all if it weren’t for him the banks would never have made all the profits!
Barney Frank may have been tied up in this too, but he is not your real enemy. Frank has fought on the progressive front of all kinds of social issues that should continue to be acknowledged among the peripheral edges of this movement. Has he been perfectly honest? No, and few politicians are. But he isn’t the Big Bad Wolf. I’d respectfully suggest that you focus your anger elsewhere.
evidence by U’s own words, this is a progressive protest. Nuff said
Actually Barney Frank was instrumental in pushing the argument for the takedown of the Glass-Steagall Act in 1999 which provided for the merging of massive banks and he even got his boyfriend a job at citibank soon after they opened up… He may have fought to legalize gay marriage and what not, maybe help George Soros in legalizing pot to dumb down the next generation of potential leaders but he definitely isn’t the saint you’re saying he is. He’s one of those Liberal Dems who wait till the vote is overwhelming for the side he’s actually on and then vote against it to make himself seem like he’s “fighting for the humanist cause..” Kinda like Obama and his worthless rhetoric on taxing corporations when he bailed out Wall St more than anyone in the history of the US… and Josh I support a protest in front of his house that guy’s scum!
@seamus: Are you trying to prove some kind of point? Let’s talk semantics, then. Pardon me for using “progressive” in the basic sense of the word — desiring change/reform by our government.
Well duh, you’ve got thousands upon thousands of our country’s people gathering in parks to call loudly for change. I’m pretty sure we can safely call that a PROGRESSIVE movement. My rhetoric here (and above) suggests nothing about party lines or whom the group comprises. I’m not saying LIBERAL vs. CONSERVATIVE, nor DEMOCRAT vs. REPUBLICAN. Good lord.
nawontahs out of jail hes fine but spirit is down a bit. He was in the for front of the police brutality. Im appauld with what I saw last night. Not only with the way the police handled things but the way other people let out hatefull words. NOT many but this needs to remain peacefull. My brothers and sisters I see you here and I feel you standing there and my heart longs for you MY spirit is here for you I am the drumming guy…NATIVE drum. We need to hold eachother in the light as well as our brothers and sisters that may not know what is going on. I will be out as soon as possible to bring up the moral of the people our people of the world. This can only grow. Many blessings to you all please stand strong. know you are truely supported even if you do not see these people we are all here for you In love and light in always and for always.
Thank you from Florida. Keep up the good work and the good fight. Take the naysayers and the city to task. I hope there are many lawsuits filed as a result of the brutality last night. Don’t let anyone restrict your freedoms. Again, thank you to the occupiers who don’t give up fighting for the 99%. You rock!!!!
This is a beautiful thing,
Take the power back
Solidarity from China
Occupy Boston has shown it’s true colors as just another wacko leftist political movement. They are not the 99%! When people with the same anger are shouted down because their views are not part of the leftist/democratic agenda then the movemnt has revealed it’s true colors. This attitude has caused many to revaluate their opinion of this movement. Occupy Boston has spurned middle america only to crawl into bed with wack jobs and members of the Democratic Party. This is no longer a movement of the 99% it is a movement that is run by folks looking to further their own agenda at the expense of many who are striving for REALISTIC change. So for those heading up the Occupy Boston movement you can all go to hell as you are a bunch of phonies and I hope you get your just desserts. FOr all those who continue to protest in the hopes of REALISTIC change my heart goes out to you, but you are in bed with a bunch of rats looking to put forth their own agenda at your expense. I can only hope that someday a real movement will come along and remain true to it’s self and tick with the real 99%.
We are here and growing by the day. We stand by waiting to help. We love you.
I just wrote the following letter to Mayor Menino’s office regarding his comments and response to Occupy Boston:
Perhaps this letter will be ignored and deleted after it is read, assuming it is read at all. I do not care. I am disgusted and embarrassed by Mayor Menino’s recent comments in the wake of the outrageous and oppressive arrests of Occupy Wall Street activists in Boston.
He states, “I sympathize with the concerns of the protesters, but I will not accept any civil disobedience in the city of Boston.” This statement alone demonstrates to me and 1000s of others, Mayor Menino’s ignorance regarding the history of civil disobedience in the United States. Each and every movement for justice and social change in the USA has been driven by the exact same relentless “civil disobedience” Mayor Menino is so eager to squelch.
From Abolitionists rejecting human slavery in the early/mid 19th Century, through Suffragettes fighting for women’s right to vote, to the formation of the Union movements in the 1930s which were violently and brutally opposed, and on through the later movements in civil rights, women’s rights, anti-war protests, Roe Vs. Wade, and countless other examples right up to today’s burgeoning Occupy Wall Street movement, the act of civil disobedience has been CENTRAL to forcing dialogue and change regarding these issues. Once all other channels of dissent have been exhausted, as so many clearly see they have been here in late 2011 America, civil disobedience in fact is the only path left to a populace that has been shut out, ignored, repressed, denied, and denigrated.
If we lived in Mayor Menino’s ideal world, there would never be any ‘civil disobedience’, and thus none of the movements for social justice I previously mentioned would have ever achieved the victories they did. Perhaps this is the ideal world Mayor Menino wishes to live in. The systems and politics of the USA are corrupt to the core. More and more are awakening to this fact, on all sides of the political and ideological divide. It seems “leaders” and men of power in the ilk of Mayor Menino would like to maintain the status quo that is destroying the lives of so many Americans at all costs. Hopefully he will choose to put himself on the right side of history. I doubt he will.
Henry David Thoreau would be rolling in his grave right now. I would encourage the Mayor to pick up a copy of ‘Walden’ and learn a thing or two.
Yes ,Thoreau is rolling in his grave, thousands of rich spoiled kids, with every type of electronic gadget sitting around complaining about what other men do not provide them, most high on multiple illegal drugs. I suggest every slacker read Walden , find out what you need to be happy in life . Thoureau did not covet what the rich had, but he for sure spoke out about what government took from man.
I am not rich, spoiled, or a kid. Whether or not someone is under the influence of a drug is not your concern or business until that person assaults you or violates you. That is common sense and Constitutional irregardless of the backwards and destructive drug laws in this country. I have read ‘Walden’ and ‘Civil Disobedience’ each several times over, if ‘slacking’ to you means stepping outside the cage of the status quo to see more deeply and clearly into things, then perhaps we should define Thoreau as a slacker. And seriously, covet? That one is so far beyond me I cannot even respond. Desiring fairness and justice is not the same as coveting the wealth of others, particularly when much of that wealth has been derived from the blood, sweat, and tears of the people to whom it rightly belongs. Exactly where this endless well of hatred some people seem to have towards these protests baffles me.
To quote that rich, spoiled activist named Malcolm X:
“If you are not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people being oppressed, and loving the people doing the oppressing”
take care brother…
From Madrid, Spain.
NYC,Boston,Washington DC… you are not alone.
Los pueblos unidos jamas seran vencidos.
f e r
The people united will never be defeated. 🙂
solidaridad
I would love for you to post a Discussion called “Solutions” on your site. I hear all these things, tax the rich, tax corporations, no jobs etc etc. I want to hear solutions from this movement. What are you protesting and what are your solutions.
– Tax the Corporations – do you think this is going to create jobs? It may help our national debt so good argument there but create jobs, nope..
– Eat the Rich – great sign today but probably not to tasty. So eating people is going to what? Create jobs, send you a check in the mail saying thanks for eating someone. Please I would love to hear more.
Please all of us 99%, we are the 99% people in the Boston area that have no clue what the 1% of you are protesting about want to know. We would love to know what your solutions are and how you think this is going to better your life. We really want to understand your movement but we will get 20 different responses.
I’m saying we should get off all this tax the rich non-sense because this is the Obama line! As if he actually cares about following through with any of his rhetoric accept killing American “terrorists” without due process of law, thats a great precedent to set (and Dick Cheney IS proud, he came out publicly saying so)… We gotta focus on Wall St., in fact the more historic version of Wall St is right across the street from the camp, it’s called State Street Bank (aka the Boston Vault) home to many a drug operations and mecca for cultural suppression of the true American Identity. The [Vault] Boston Brahmin crowd up here leading into the civil war were organizing secessionists in the north to break up the Union against slavery while at the same time organizing the south to fight for succession for slavery, real principled bunch! This wall St. thing is a disease which is engulfing not just our own nation but the world in fact. The sooner America can start to reorganize the banks with Glass-Steagall (HR 1489) the sooner Europe can start to do the same.
It absolutely makes me laugh at all the naysayers out here. I hope that Occupy Boston stays strong. Nothing worth fighting for is ever easy. I hope that the good folks at Occupy Boston are not wasting a minute of your time doubting the occupation or responding to these folks who just don’t get it. Their inability to understand or to support has only made the movement stronger. That’s evident all across the country.
I hear the pundits saying that there is no united cause. That’s absolute nonsense. It could not be more clear what the cause is. If you don’t understand the cause that’s one thing, but to belittle the movement because you don’t understand it is only the exact reason we need this movement in the first place. The mere fact it’s called 99% tells everything right there and could not be more clear. It doesn’t need to be attached to a laundry list of things or to be attached to a political agenda or affiliation because it’s not about that. The country has plenty of those. This is really about the 99% and it’s totally AWESOME! It doesn’t need to be any clearer, it just needs to keep getting louder.
People doubted it was anything and they minimized it as it was getting started. The mainstream media minimized and downplayed the movement; if they covered it at all. Then they found themselves insignificant because the social media outlets were enough to get the word out. The mainstream media quickly became insignificant, marginalized, and irrelevant. It’s with irony and it’s also quite polarizing that the US media was once the envy of it’s foreign counterparts because of the American freedom of the press, but now this epic movement is now better covered by the social media outlets and the foreign press; shining a bright light on the fact that the US media is largely in the pockets of the 1% and even owned by some of them. if they were introspective enough they would realize they are part of the problem and not the solution. For if their coverage was better to begin with we might not be in this mess. It’s no shock they were so dismissive of those advocating to unveil what they didn’t.
Keep up the good work. Keep the faith. The whole world is, indeed, watching!
the truth is you don’t have a clue what you are protesting about do you? Summarize what they are protesting about, Corporate Greed, UFO’s please enlighten us.
First off, use a capital letter when you begin a sentence.
Secondly in answer to your question, corporate greed or UFOs, let me enlighten you.
1) The absolute corruption of elected politics in which monied corporate interests control all decisions. The Supreme Court’s ‘Citizens United’ was the proverbial nail in the coffin opening the floodgates to unlimited and untraceable money infecting the entire electoral process as never before.
2) The grossly uneven distribution of wealth and power in 2011 America. The top 1% income bracket control more of the people’s wealth now then at virtually any point in American history. Power and wealth concentrated in the hands of the very few well the masses fight over scraps is the very definition of evil.
3)The American military-industrial complex and its perpetuation of a state of endless war around the globe, wasting lives, resources, and leaving a wake of devastation, destruction, and hopelessness. We create enemies, arm them, goad them to action, then use their retaliation as an excuse to invade. this has been ongoing essentially in one way or another since WW2. Listen to Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower, an honorable man and Supreme Commander of Allied Forces of Europe during WW2. He made a speech warning
us of America slipping into a state of constant self-created, self-perpetuated war. His pronouncements have been eerily accurate.
4) Many more issues of social, environmental, and economic fairness to numerous to go into detail with here on a forum.
Finally, I myself protest that I can have the patience and calmness of mind to deal with the constant attacks of ignorant ‘sheeple’ led by the nose by Fox News and others mainstream media outlets in their bitter and petty attacks on us. You fail to see, we are not against you, they are against us all.
There’s the bait. OHHH, not biting. Thanks for playing. The 99% tells you everything. If you don’t get it, I can’t help that. Peace.
Thanks to all of you peace soldiers fighting on the front lines. My heart is with you! I will be down tomorrow with more supplies and will hopefully see an updated needs list. Stay strong and stay peaceful! The non-violence and love and support for even the police has been one of the most powerful elements of this movement. Power to the people!
Namaste
Bravo Occupy Boston! I’m from a smalltown in Ohio where the income equality gap has become the Grand Canyon during the past 20 years. Yet, the people seem too beaten down by poverty, hopelessness and coupon clipping to do anything but listen to right wing talk radio. You guys in Boston are inspiring! I truly believe this is not a Republican or Democratic movement. It is a movement for the 99 percent who are just trying to live.
What solution do you think this movement is going to accomplish about income inequality. Incomes difer based on education, skillset etc. Do you think this movement is going to change that? Maybe we can hand out equal amount of money to everyone in this country that will definately happen after this is all over. LOL. you people are insane
what do you want me to do, pay your rent check because you didn’t work your a** off to be able to pay it for years. Sure let me send you a check.
Well if you count finding tax loopholes, finding new ways to dick over your lowest level employees, and finding politicians to buy off as “skillsets” then I am SO with you! For serious though if you’re going to join in the conversation, how about making less assumptions about what people want and how we plan to fix it. There’s a lot of End the Fed folks here too. If you’re 100% happy with the government and feel there’s no corruption, then give me some of those drugs you’re taking.
You’ll send me a check? Like the blank one your representatives wrote to Chase and Bank of America? Awesome! The world is still peppered with some willful ignorance I see. Keep up the fight Boston!
To the folks complaining here. There are many of us who attend Occupy Boston who are true conservative libertarians for free market capitalism. You need to realize the problem is that most of our best young people are brainwashed into this socialist system so they just see more socialism as the solution. These kids are smart and they know the system is wrong. They have not yet realized that their parents, teachers, friends, professors and many of their hero role models are wrong too. But like it or not these are our best people from our best universities and we need to reach and educate and work with them if we are ever to get out of this mess. The republican party offers no alternative and hasn’t really since 1964. They just keep selling a cruel late stage socialism (Partially government controlled economy giving wealth to the politically connected, government spending on police, punishment and war.) calling it capitalism and free markets. Last night before the police crackdown on the 2nd camp I was speaking to a group of college guys in their early 20s and they were saying how great Barry Goldwater was. You all really need to get down there. If you still think it sucks, then that’s good too. Write about it here and we can work on it.
Mr. Crumb,
I agree with everything you are saying here but is it not the role of a civil society to go out and vote if they want change? Many I am sure have voted for Obama who has done just that, he is bringing the troops home while trying to make sure we still fight terrorism abroad which is the most important duty we can do as a government to protect our children from what we have endurred during 9/11. The problem is this movement is not focused. It has many people that are just angry because they lost a job, they are struggling to find work after college. This has been occurring since my days going to school prior to 1997. We go through recessions this one being tougher than the past in some ways because we have an ever increasing national debt. The problem is many of the people protesting feel they are going through something in my lifetime have not. Many of us also had to work multiple jobs to pay for college, we had a hard time finding jobs after college was complete. Just because we receive a college degree does not guarantee us a job you know that. You receive a diploma in Political Science and you think that is going to find a job it is very tough and always has been that way. My point is chaos is not the solution and many that are coming into Boston are causing problems and then they blame the BPD for trying to keep order in my beloved city of Boston. What you should do as a group is have an open discussion/debate where people from all sides can come and express their views without chaos, violence etc. People like myself that have strong views would love to hear more on the movement but it has to be focused, there has to be a clear vision. Coming up with all the problems we face in society as a whole is not going to win support from many in this city and that is the truth.
Obama’s bringing the troops home? Really? Remember when he said he would end the war first thing when he was President and “you can bank on that”…yea, never happened. For change to happen he has to go too.
Yeah Obama has actually carried out more drone missile attacks then bush and he just used one on two American Citizens when he had the clear alternative of capturing them alive and giving them a fair trial. He loves war, he just knows the people hate it so he lies and talks out of his ass. He’s beefed up the privatized military mercenaries too, WAY more then during Bush and Cheney’s Admin.. its almost as if this was an intentional outcome of the Bush Cheney Coup (9-11) because as far as constitutional violations Obama is writing the book, especially on illegal wire-taps and even the torturing and it couldn’t have been done without that convenient Reichstagg Fire… IMPEACH OBAMA before this gets out of hand because its about to real quick!
To the entire Occupy Boston Movement:
Whether I agree with what you are doing in my city or not. Let’s call a spade a spade here. If you want to gain support for your movement, you want to be respected by the people in my beloved city of Boston, I like I am sure many that have posted on these boards demand an apology and a clean up of your boards. The Boston Police did not brutally attack protesters last evening on the greenway. I know people that were there and I have talked to some today while in the city. They restrained people that resisted and did not hede to what the BPD warned them to do. Police Brutality would be beating someone with a baton while not resisting arrest. This topic disgusts me the most to see on your boards and people outside holding signs. Remember people these very police officers protect our daily lives. The put their lives on the line everyday to protect this city, this country from people hurting us or our very children and family. I am appauled at these accusations that police Brutality took place and I will never respect this group nor will many in this city if you defame the very people that keep this city safe. If you have a evidence then show it, otherwise don’t defame the people that protect this city is a disgrace to me as an American that know people that have sufferred during 9/11.
They sure did. Keep looking for it, you will find it. It’s well documented, photographed, and recorded. We can’t do everything for you. Time to man up and search for yourself….it’s out there. The BPD should be ashamed of themselves.
I am not sure who to blame here The propaganda machine that is run by NYCC aka ACORN or the morons who follow it. I have watched all of the videos and can’t find any violence at all. Belive me if there was any violence they would have had it all over this website. I saw in an earlier post one of the protestors quoted FDR in saying “the only thing we have to fear is fear itself” This is not quite true these days we have to fear all of you jaackasses getting in the way of the hard working americans. I am not rich I have a normal job I work for a large corp. and am one of the little guys here and yes the president makes about 25x my pay. You know what I say about that good for him it’s the United States of America. I am a 30 something and I watch the 99% and I am guessing that most of you have never had a fulltime job. How many of you have even paid taxes other than for your summer jobs. How many of you down at the parkway have mommy and daddys credit card in your pocket. 20 years ago we had the greatful dead touring around and thats what we did I guess after Jerry died this is what college kids do now to rebel. No offense but we were much cooler. Once your no longer a dependant on your parents tax forms then come talk to us and for those full time protestors who have sign will travel get a job.
The evidence of police brutality in Boston is well documented. No need to keep asking for proof. Search for it and stop being lazy.
I get a kick out of the people STILL trying to downplay this or say they don’t get what the movement stands for. Really? I guess a few people will always think the movement stands for nothing because it doesn’t back a political party or back a specific candidate and their platform. To think it should really misses the entire point.
Let’s lead the horse to water, shall we? The movement contains people from both parties. It contains tens of thousands of people from all walks of live. It’s evolving in every major city across the US and continues to grow and expand. It has widespread support from all over the world. If you don’t see that now, then you never will.
More leading the horse to water, you ready? The movement is inclusive of all people from all walks of life and all political parties who are tired of what is going on in DC and tired of what’s going on -on Wall St. The basic premise of the 99% should have been your first and only necessary clue. If someone tells you that they are for the 99% and you still don’t know what they are talking about than you must have been living under a rock or getting your news from snippets on Fox News. We can’t help that.
To the good people of Boston doing their part to change the destructive course of our country, please keep up the great work. Your doing an amazing job up there and the whole world is behind you. Not just Mass, not just New England, not just the blue states, not just the USA….THE WHOLE WORLD! No need to let a few scattered voices stifle you.
Ha! Worldwide? You people are so fucking delusional. It’d be comical if it wasn’t so pathetic.
Take of the tight jeans and breathe. It’s worldwide. Turn off fox news and start researching. Most international media outlets have picked up what the US outlets didn’t. The support is heartwarming and amazing.
Dude, I’m from Norway and I’m 100 % behind OWS.The national news media in Norway have been reporting about what is going on in USA.
Love, Respect and Solidarity from Occupy Minnesota
Glad you guys are OK and still in this
Wow.
Michael Cavlan must be a real nice guy, the kind of guy who cares about others and thinks for himself.
Glad the people here are ok? Plastic bracelets and 48 hours of warnings and constant communication does not a police brutalization make.
100% in your own world.
TRY OCCUPYING A JOB INSTEAD OF A PICKET LINE!!!
Interesting crew—-white under 25 college students and over 55 white Cambridge moonbats.
Sooooooo, where are all the criticisms of the “must be racist cause they are all white” genre like the Tea Party continues to get?
Cue the crickets!!!!
Try blaming the economic “policies” of the job-killing buffoon in the white house and the dimwit dems. By the way, no one owes you a job, let alone a “good” job.
You guys are genuinely well-meaning, but so cluelessly manipulated by the Soros types and big labor you fail to see the bulk of America that is not in college towns like Boston is simply laughing at you.
“Tearful reunions and sober reflection have characterized our day here as we seek to land on our feet after the events of early this morning.”
Shameless.
Tearful Reunions? LOL. Idiots. You are more pampered than any of you realize.
I support Occupy Boston and want very much to see it grow – that takes land. Traditionally, the Boston Common has belonged to people expressing themselves politically. During The Great Depression, the Boston Common was where unemployed people gathered. While Dewey Square’s proximity to the financial district and the Fed are important – the Common is, in my opinion where there is a constant flow of people from all over and where so much can be done – from street theatre to soap boxing.
I will be there this weekend! Keep it up!
I am very supportive and excited about the movement and what you are representing and working for. I actually came up to hang around the camp tuesday and absolutely loved it and was very impressed with the integrity and resolve. My one concern and question is in regard to the upcoming winter and how the movement intends to weather the New England cold. (no pun intended) I would hate to see this magnificent movement falter and fade due to the severity of mother nature. Has there been any thoughts on how this will be overcome? If not I think the subject should be delved into immediately! Thanks for your time, solidarity and best wishes from southern Mass. ~Zachary
I plan on staying the night when it gets extremely cold. I want to adopt one or two of them and put the right clothes on them. And do you know there are parts of the sidewalks that are hot from the steam system underneath? I go barefoot so I noticed this.
Everyone who reads these posts has a job. Hopefully, the compensation will be rational discussion of problems and then various attempts to solve them, monitoring our progress (and/or lack of it) along the way. One step in this direction might be to fine tune the reply to the reply to a comment so that we’re only notified of comments that specifically pertain to something we might have said. This comment, although a good one, has nothing to say about the particularly snotty condescending and snotty remark I made that was truly impertinant (I give up on the spelling here, hope you get it].
Here’s a constructive suggestion along the lines of what Losif Crumb is saying: The City of Boston owns a tremendous amount of land, hundreds of acres no doubt, scattered all over town. We obviously can’t and shouldn’t expect to occupy Dewey Square for our own exclusive use forever, but maybe they MIGHT let us set up a kiosk that provides information on other plots of land that we can camp out on for longer periods of time.
My non-tax-exempt nonprofit is looking to set up or work with a 501c tax exempt nonprofit that could take responsibility for the ownership of this land, hopefully (from the City’s point of view) in ways that would eventually put at least some portion of this city-owned land back into the hands of wage-earning taxpayers.
U need leadership and a definitive cause. Otherwise business and political groups are going to use u for their own agenda.
on December 8th, 2011 at 8:45 pm #
[…] If like I was, your are a little dismayed by the extra weight you have gained during pregnancy then … get slim but this is not always the best advice. The body actually requires a certain amount of calories in order to function correctly, and when the body is working as it should be then it is possible to get slim again without necessarily eating less. The key is to eat the right diet and do a small amount of the right type of exercise to tone up the muscles.A new mom should be discouraged from eating less because it may not only be bad for her, but if she is breast feeding then it can also be bad for baby too because of the lack of nutrients that the baby receives. This means that there has to be a balance between eating the right food, getting the right exercise and getting the right nutrition in order to get slim again after pregnancy but also maintain good health.So how did I manage to get slim again after my pregnancy? Well I have to say, I was a stone heavier than I was before pregnancy, so I needed to lose weight and do it fast. Although I was so pleased to have my new daughter I was very unhappy about my weight and shape but I managed to get myself slim again in just a matter of weeks. Here is my 5 point plan:1) I cut back on sugary drinks. This is much easier than you think because instead of drinking soda there are alternatives such as flavored water. Just as tasty but no where near the amount of sugar as soda or even fruit juice.2) When I snacked I made sure that I was eating healthy snacks like fruit, nuts, raisins or low fat crackers. I made sure I had these close at hand.3) For a few weeks I just cut out fast food altogether, and replaced this with salad. This was tough to do to start with but once I got used to it then it became easier.4) I ate plenty of fish and chicken and dropped red meat for a short time.5) This is most important. I stuck to a good weight loss plan. There are plenty around and some very good ones that are designed to help you get slim fast but safely.So, it does require some work to get slim again after a pregnancy but it is well worth the effort and does not mean starving yourself. […]